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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26721535 - 06/05/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Cops typically treat white people nicer than people of color. White privilage and all that. Someday, I hope, that cops wont even need to exist or have minor roles in society. Wouldnt that be nice...
That's the type of attitude that creates the divide. If you want to alienate the key demographic that can actually produce real change, keep making generalizations on what demographic is abused slightly less or more.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman] 1
#26721548 - 06/05/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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74% of Americans agree that there is underlying racial injustice in this country and it directly caused George Floyd's death.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/74-americans-view-george-floyds-death-underlying-racial/story?id=71074422&cid=social_fb_abcnp
I'd say this is uniting us, not dividing us. We can't even agree on what color the sky is most of the time.
To be clear, I do not think we should abolish the police I think we should reform the fuck out them.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues]
#26721558 - 06/05/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: 74% of Americans agree that there is underlying racial injustice in this country and it directly caused George Floyd's death.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/74-americans-view-george-floyds-death-underlying-racial/story?id=71074422&cid=social_fb_abcnp
I'd say this is uniting us, not dividing us. We can't even agree on what color the sky is most of the time.
To be clear, I do not think we should abolish the police I think we should reform the fuck out them.
50 years and their still shitting on kneeling on peoples.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues]
#26721575 - 06/05/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The game begins always after people choose teams, never before. But there also as to be enough people to play the game in the first place.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26721589 - 06/05/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: 74% of Americans agree that there is underlying racial injustice in this country and it directly caused George Floyd's death.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/74-americans-view-george-floyds-death-underlying-racial/story?id=71074422&cid=social_fb_abcnp
I'd say this is uniting us, not dividing us. We can't even agree on what color the sky is most of the time.
To be clear, I do not think we should abolish the police I think we should reform the fuck out them.
Yes, but when someone purposely attempts to minimize the abuse from one demographic to highlight the abuse of another (like the MSM and political system always does), there are ramifications to that narrative.
Where is the outrage over male arrests, conviction and incarceration rates relative to females? Somehow the MSM and political system doesn't care about the potential sexism in policing and the criminal justice system.
What about younger relative to older?
What about poor relative to wealthy?
IF you want real police reform, do NOT minimize the police brutality that affects the majority demographic that can make the reforms.
Why do you think the NFL protests fell apart? And BLM's? Because they purposely alienated the entire white population.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
#26721623 - 06/05/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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We are not talking arrests here. We are talking about cops MURDERING people, in this case George Floyd. Thats the issue. Yeah, arresting people sucks but taking anothers persons life at the hands of self-serving cops? Well, thats completely different and a much bigger issue that arresting someone. Once cops start killing/attacking unarmed people, they have crossed a line that they should NEVER cross.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman] 2
#26721632 - 06/05/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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...I don't feel alienated .
I feel inspired, I feel like blm is pushing for things that will have a directly positive impact on my life as well, I just don't want to co-opt their message and dilute it with my own. The conversation for the rest of us will come later - we've been first in line for too long, we can drive change for ourselves while fighting for others. We're still in the acute phases right now. Trump is going to do everything he can to push the insurrection act, and I feel like having a strong, unified, nationwide message for this protest is more important than ever. Just for it's very survival. Though it's not like I think that other people flooding the streets in solidarity with their own issues is going to hurt as long as the movement stays on message and doesn't budge from it's demands. Consistency, persistence.
What happens with this is going to set precedent and tone. I don't think you're wrong, and I feel like the protests and the movement is probably going to evolve and slowly shape shift naturally.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26721650 - 06/05/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: We are not talking arrests here. We are talking about cops MURDERING people, in this case George Floyd. Thats the issue. Yeah, arresting people sucks but taking anothers persons life at the hands of self-serving cops? Well, thats completely different and a much bigger issue that arresting someone. Once cops start killing/attacking unarmed people, they have crossed a line that they should NEVER cross.
I agree, but unjustified cop killings shouldn't be the only issue on the table here. We can see the abuse during these protests, they don't discriminate where the gas and rubber bullets fly. The senior citizen in Buffalo is an old white man.
If we stop the limited unjustified cop killings and ignore the day to day police brutality, this whole protest was a complete waste of time.
This is so much bigger than Floyd, he was just the trigger that exposes a very large abusive and corrupt law enforcement industry.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26721664 - 06/05/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: ...I don't feel alienated .
I feel inspired, I feel like blm is pushing for things that will have a directly positive impact on my life as well, I just don't want to co-opt their message and dilute it with my own. The conversation for the rest of us will come later - we've been first in line for too long, we can drive change for ourselves while fighting for others. We're still in the acute phases right now. Trump is going to do everything he can to push the insurrection act, and I feel like having a strong, unified, nationwide message for this protest is more important than ever. Just for it's very survival. Though it's not like I think that other people flooding the streets in solidarity with their own issues is going to hurt as long as the movement stays on message and doesn't budge from it's demands. Consistency, persistence.
What happens with this is going to set precedent and tone. I don't think you're wrong, and I feel like the protests and the movement is probably going to evolve and slowly shape shift naturally.
Yes, I know you don't feel alienated, but please be intellectually honest and admit many whites do feel it. We need them on board in my opinion, constantly minimizing their cases of abuses by law enforcement is going to backfire on this movement. The MSM and political system want that racial divide because it kills the movement every dam time.
We both know many whites will never support BLM, it's not going to happen. If they even associate standing up to police abuse with BLM, they will just forget the whole thing. I'm just trying to be realistic here, we don't want to alienate, intimidate and ultimately frustrate people that could actually create the reform.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
#26721670 - 06/05/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I definitely agree with that. The abuse by Cops is deeply-rooted and far-reaching. Floyd's death was definitely the trigger that is helping push the police state out of existence.
The entire Police system is corrupt and it needs to end. Body cams just arent enough for accountability.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26721674 - 06/05/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your police are policing an armed society. It's understandable, isn't it? that they will be slightly more trigger happy, and brutal, than those that police a relatively unarmed society.
Their is no amount of training that will enable a cop to take a bullet to the brain.
Even those dumb fucks that someone posted that were using 'super soakers' to drench a cop could be seen as endangering his life. Any one of them could be using covid contaminated water to intentionally infect that officer. They should all think themselves lucky he didn't shoot the fucking lot of them.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: deucedbi9]
#26721686 - 06/05/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have to agree. The UK has it right. Cops without guns. I dont know how many deaths have occurred by UK cops but I bet its very low if not existent.
Theres a culture of authoritative-aggressiveness with US cops that has been around since the beginning of the creation of the Police State. Its loooooooong overdue for that cop mentality to end.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman] 1
#26721699 - 06/05/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: ...I don't feel alienated .
I feel inspired, I feel like blm is pushing for things that will have a directly positive impact on my life as well, I just don't want to co-opt their message and dilute it with my own. The conversation for the rest of us will come later - we've been first in line for too long, we can drive change for ourselves while fighting for others. We're still in the acute phases right now. Trump is going to do everything he can to push the insurrection act, and I feel like having a strong, unified, nationwide message for this protest is more important than ever. Just for it's very survival. Though it's not like I think that other people flooding the streets in solidarity with their own issues is going to hurt as long as the movement stays on message and doesn't budge from it's demands. Consistency, persistence.
What happens with this is going to set precedent and tone. I don't think you're wrong, and I feel like the protests and the movement is probably going to evolve and slowly shape shift naturally.
Yes, I know you don't feel alienated, but please be intellectually honest and admit many whites do feel it. We need them on board in my opinion, constantly minimizing their cases of abuses by law enforcement is going to backfire on this movement. The MSM and political system want that racial divide because it kills the movement every dam time.
We both know many whites will never support BLM, it's not going to happen. If they even associate standing up to police abuse with BLM, they will just forget the whole thing. I'm just trying to be realistic here, we don't want to alienate, intimidate and ultimately frustrate people that could actually create the reform.
None of the white people I have spoken to about it have said anything about feeling alienated, but yeah I'm sure some do. I feel like that's misguided and I don't feel like it's black people's job to fix that.
I am currently in what was Trump land in 2016, I know a lot of moderate republicans, and I am definitely easily the most politically left person you'll find for miles, and the ones that I've actually talked to about it are in support of peaceful protesting and believe in the cause. I'm sure many more might disagree, but idk, just my experience.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26721705 - 06/05/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I have to agree. The UK has it right. Cops without guns. I dont know how many deaths have occurred by UK cops but I bet its very low if not existent.
Theres a culture of authoritative-aggressiveness with US cops that has been around since the beginning of the creation of the Police State. Its loooooooong overdue for that cop mentality to end.
I wish you well in that LC, but fear as long as your countrymen demand their 2nd amendment they will have to tollerate the style of policing that goes with it. 
To answer your question as to how many deaths by cop in the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom
Two so far this year. Both looked quite reasonable.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: deucedbi9] 1
#26722052 - 06/05/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: budmanman]
#26722084 - 06/05/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, what a courageous and beautiful thing to do!
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: budmanman] 1
#26722086 - 06/05/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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shes just taking a stand cause DC is at odds with the fed bois
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated] 1
#26722100 - 06/05/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Then there's that Trump tweet and the Bible pic and preceding crowd dispersion by force It is still unbelievable this person is your president! Goddamn, where else would this be possible, North Korea ? What's the point of the bible pic anyways? Just ridiculous
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26722110 - 06/05/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: morrowasted]
#26722116 - 06/05/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wasn't that quoted wrong though? I watched the whole clip. He talked about the economy only in the last sentence
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