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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26713768 - 06/02/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They seem to want violent knuckleheads in that job though.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: lowbrow]
    #26713773 - 06/02/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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depends on the cause.  I see where you’re going with this.




Could you provide some examples where you agree or disagree?


It doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree.  If you want my personal opinion I believe everybody has the right to be proud of whatever and it doesn’t matter whether I like it or not.




Your statement was that it depends on the cause
you were asked for examples of where you agree with a cause being an example of facing adveristy,
and where you disagree with a cause being an example of facing adversity

you then stated that does not actually matter
because you believe everybody has the right to be proud without it depending on the cause
as you previously claimed it depends

is this accurate?

lowbrow said:
clarified, but its still just an opinion.  One can celebrate without exuding supremacist jargon.  They can just be proud.

With all due respect for your opinion, this is not the case that was being discussed
Taking pride in supremacist positions is still taking pride in supremacist positions, even if letting someone else spit the jargon for you

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in my opinion, that’s what you’re doing.

and in my opinion, that is what you are doing
as further evidenced by your resistance to engage with the actual topics of discussion
and retreating to your position of opinion

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Of course, but that does not change that celebrating a position of supremacy is celebrating supremacy


being first in a situation does not make a person a supremacist.




playful choice of words here
but my statement was that celebrating being in a position of supremacy is celebrating a position of supremacy
so you had to change my argument in order to disagree with it
and then you claim that the changed argument you responded to was:

lowbrow said:
That’s an emotionally charged opinion.

so do we then agree that all you are doing is applying your own emotionally charged opinions to statements of objective occurrence?
or are you going to tell me how you feel your intrepretation is more accurate than the words as they appeared?

lowbrow said:
Being on top has always been a reason to celebrate.

And by celebrating being on top (read: supreme),
what do you feel is the reason to celebrate

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But you’re obviously talking about race, that changes the context.

unfortunately, it does not
when we reach a point where people do not view races in a hierarchy where one may be supreme over others, then it would

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You can still be proud of your race and not hold negative views of other races

sure, so long as being proud of your race is not being proud of your race for being better than other races
you don't have to hold a negative view of others to hold a supremacist view of oneself

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But people tend to bring up history to charge up the emotions on this argument too.

In what context do you consider racial pride (presumably over accomplishments ascribed to past members of that race) to be independent of history?

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do not even have to be part of the in group to celebrate supremacy -- will see all sorts of working class whites who celebrate capitalism as a development of their culture, even tho it is shitting all over them


You’re now bringing emotionally charged political opinions into the discussion.  This is what Im talking about, logic now goes out the window for feelings. When enacted in the real world this will end in disaster.




Sorry, was just equally meeting your contribution of feelings rather than logic
will resume not copying your method of argumentation if it bothers you so much

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Identity can have a racial component.  When every other race and ethnicity is allowed one but you turn around and tell another group they should be ashamed of theirs is just another example of emotions coming into play.  When you use the emotionally charged phrase, ‘supremacy’ you attempt to shut down the conversation of the issue




Was not the one discussing identity tho, you have added that to the conversation to try and steer things to where they support your point
my posts have been addressing the statements as they exist and relate to the language contained within them

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it is about how one socially addresses the issues
try not to take it personally; people can have ideas but not be defined by them.



I agree.




then can we put aside all your inserted content regarding identity
and refocus on the fact that celebrating supremacy is celebrating supremacy
regardless of the identity of the person who does so

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but promoting particular ideas is still promoting particular ideas


This is rather vague with really bad implications.




care to provide an example of the implications you have ascribed to it

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No dictation made, simply an analysis of what effect promoting certain ideas has on reinforcing (or interrupting) broader systems


No, I disagree,




of course you do

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you’re officially talking to other races as small children that need their hand held.  Now that has got to be horribly demoralizing.

please explain how a statement with regards to the analysis of ideas
is talking about other races at all
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26713775 - 06/02/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There's some guy in the Nextdoor app (I don't know how many of y'all are familiar with it, it's basically a social media app that connects you to people in or near your neighborhood) who is in my area and claiming that he has "credible" info that rioters/looters will be targeting residential areas in different cities in the coming nights

Granted it's just one guy saying this so take it with a massive grain of salt. I'm hoping he's wrong and just wanting to stir fear up or something.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
    #26713779 - 06/02/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Why do males commit the VAST majority of violent crime?  Why are males over 13 times more likely to be in prison? Where is the outrage that sexism is likely at work here?  The lack of outrage is obvious.




Have had it previously suggested to me that cis men are more violent than trans women due to increased impulsiveness from testosterone

personally, figure this has more to do with comparative lack of female agency and iconography
thinking of the Al Capone times that many men glamorize, the girlfriends were just part of the gang to be alibis when the guys did crimes
nowadays, there are female rappers with violent lyrics; female criminal suspects in murder shows; female action heros; and most personally notable, playable female characters in Grand Theft Auto 5 online

would not be surprised if statistically cases of violent female crime have increased relative to their old pre-women's lib values
and may have somewhat started to close that gap
tho we are talking centuries of male agency and female submission in cultural inculcation tho
most female criminals historically were likely prostitutes that grifted extra money from men




You can liberate females all you want, they're still not going to commit anywhere near as much violent crime as males in modern society.




What do you feel is the cause of the male violence in modern society,
and how do you feel their rate of imprisonment is a function of sexism being "likely at work here?"

have provided an example of how sexism has impacted the numbers, but you seem to disagree


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26713780 - 06/02/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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There's some guy in the Nextdoor app (I don't know how many of y'all are familiar with it, it's basically a social media app that connects you to people in or near your neighborhood) who is in my area and claiming that he has "credible" info that rioters/looters will be targeting residential areas in different cities in the coming nights

Granted it's just one guy saying this so take it with a massive grain of salt. I'm hoping he's wrong and just wanting to stir fear up or something.



WTF?!? I got my 38 by the bed, let them try something.




lowbrow said:
Being on top has always been a reason to celebrate.

Hey now!:smirk:


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 3
    #26713793 - 06/02/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, honestly a full cultural change has to happen. The job seems to reward violent knuckleheads and it creates this terrible culture that makes it harder for people with empathy and intelligence to succeed - let alone be able to call out other cops on bad behavior. I know that there have been full campaigns of harassment that departments have engaged in just to punish another cop for crossing the thin blue line.



@Niffla, next door is full of old fogies and I feel like this is some forwards from grandma fear mongering shit. Wouldn't worry. Am glad I no longer live downtown in a major city right now(and I'm sorry that you do :sad:) but I will be officially shocked if people start collectively looting residences.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 3
    #26713798 - 06/02/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Did y'all hear about this ESPN reporter (well former reporter actually) who tweeted "burn it all down" when this all started, but when they got to his part of town he did a complete 180?



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nba/news/espn-nba-reporter-tweets-george-floyd-protests/1eefhr1gpdx791oxlllizoun9i

Sometimes you actually get what you ask for in life. Guess this were one of those times.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26713805 - 06/02/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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@Niffla, next door is full of old fogies and I feel like this is some forwards from grandma fear mongering shit. Wouldn't worry.




Yeah this is what I was thinking, blues. I'd be interested to learn who his source is for this "credible" info


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Niffla] * 3
    #26713807 - 06/02/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:rofl:

That’s how it usually goes.  The People who are cool with people breaking other people’s shit are only cool until it affects them.  Classic.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26713823 - 06/02/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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:rofl:

That’s how it usually goes.  The People who are cool with people breaking other people’s shit are only cool until it affects them.  Classic.




One guy tweeted him and said that he can't be for the chaos one minute and then change it up when they get to his front door, and his reply was "you better damn well believe I can!!" :rofl:


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Niffla]
    #26713831 - 06/02/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:smug:


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #26713902 - 06/02/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No idea if this has been posted yet, it is the best documentation I have seen on protest videos. So my bad if it has already been mentioned but if not I urge you guys to check it out. it's updated all the time too.

By the evening last night there was like over 20 live streams going, some of them independent just walking around filming the aftermath. There has been so much shit going on.

Protest video compilation link (google sheets document)


It also has a compilation of most of the other popular videos that have been posted (see the tabs along the top to check previous streams that are still up and all the compiled vids)



Trump is a moron and just like I said 2 days ago, the cops are retards and will only escalate things and cause more brutality.

National guard and louisville cops killed a dude


I think it's gonna get worse until they call in all the national guards and even then, this shit is gonna be ugly

stay safe ya'll


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #26713916 - 06/02/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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firing something at innocent person on their porch:

https://streamable.com/u2jzoo

cop appearing to be enjoying himself today:

https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151

cop shooting something at guy for saying "fuck you":

https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151

cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors:

https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151

nypd driving into protestors:

https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod

cops shoving an old dude to the ground:

https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151

police actively seeking out fights compilation:

https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251

cop driving at people aggressively on a campus:

https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251

cop shooting rubber bullets at people watching from apartment:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09

police shooting the press with rubber bullets:

https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151

police arresting a CNN reporter:

https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151

police doing a drive-by pepper spraying

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609

photographer being pepper sprayed:

https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg

guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed:

https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251

lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head:

https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg

https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137

reporter blinded by rubber bullets:

https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19

reporter describes getting tear gassed:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422

couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew:

https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19

young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer:

https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20

reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed: https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317

reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778

cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning:

https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229

photographer arrested:



Columbus police assaulting protestors:

https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610

congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html

7 protesters fired on with rubber bullets:

https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151

cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251

young child allegedly pepper sprayed:

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest

horse tramples young woman, police investigating: https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/

cop pushes protestor with his bike

https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20

Reuters reporters detail being shot at with rubber bullets:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050

Denver PD pushing reporter into a fire

https://twitter.com/tessrmalle/status/1266945413258653696?s=20

Denver PD shooting at a couple in a car after learning pregnant woman is in the car

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAzZnQvF8B0/?igshid=woeoeruh786o






This shit is disgusting. Cops destroying and stealing the peaceful protesters water supplies is just extra disgraceful. The brutality and extreme force is on another level of fucked up


America is the most unfree country in the damn world.


I dunno how much better Canada is after watching the shit in montreal though :facepalm:


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26713927 - 06/02/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Lol yeah im sure they’re right on top of that


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: koods] * 1
    #26713937 - 06/02/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Lol yeah im sure they’re right on top of that



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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Tantrika] * 4
    #26714025 - 06/02/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I believe this happened yesterday in Tennessee.




National Guard lay down their shields in a sign of peace and solidarity.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: feevers]
    #26714037 - 06/02/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Why would anyone actually think their first amendment right takes precedent over trump's right to take a picture pretending he likes god so that he can to scoop some votes from dumb people?

You're basically a communist if you don't think trump winning reelection is more important than the constitution and the law.




What are you talking about?  I see hyperbole and some personal attacks at trump voters, but that last sentence got me confused.




When are you not confused?






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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #26714056 - 06/02/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe this happened yesterday in Tennessee.




National Guard lay down their shields in a sign of peace and solidarity.




Yesterday across the street from the White House the police kneeled down and the crowd cheered. They were loading their tear gas launchers.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #26714093 - 06/02/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

National Guard lay down their shields for photo-op

How about we stop applauding empty symbolism until they match it was positive action. Just like the police that knelt and marched with protestors - in many instances not long later they were shooting teargas at people and beating them with batons.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26714138 - 06/02/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

yep! Notice they still are strapped with clubs and guns, that's just a redneck photo op like the south always does. "Y'all come on in here and have some ice tea", then the knives come out and the psycho music cues up.:rolleyes:


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