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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26776209 - 06/23/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the confederate monuments should come down - like honestly, as a northerner I've always thought that lol. Even General E. Lee was against war monuments. It's one thing to remember it, but it's another thing to glorify it with statues and shit.


The george washington statue? nah, not really - but George Washington himself owned hella slaves(and finally released them at the end of his life, having found it 'troubling') and idk, we glorify the founding fathers so much that I think we've just been kind of blinded to this whole other aspect of history. At this point it's just vandalism, and I think a better answer is to shine a light on those voices and educate the world, not create more of a mess and violence. Ultimately I don't condone any vandalism or violence at these things, but idk, I really don't particularly care that someone tore down another statue - feel like that happens all the time these days(and probably all throughout history too :shrug:)



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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26776275 - 06/23/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the confederate monuments should come down - like honestly, as a northerner I've always thought that lol. Even General E. Lee was against war monuments. It's one thing to remember it, but it's another thing to glorify it with statues and shit.


The george washington statue? nah, not really - but George Washington himself owned hella slaves(and finally released them at the end of his life, having found it 'troubling') and idk, we glorify the founding fathers so much that I think we've just been kind of blinded to this whole other aspect of history. At this point it's just vandalism, and I think a better answer is to shine a light on those voices and educate the world, not create more of a mess and violence. Ultimately I don't condone any vandalism or violence at these things, but idk, I really don't particularly care that someone tore down another statue - feel like that happens all the time these days(and probably all throughout history too :shrug:)




We need to take every public symbol and statue down, we can't pick and choose based on someone's feelings. I don't care if it's MLK or a confederate statue, it's all got to go.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman] * 3
    #26776293 - 06/23/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's not about my feelings, it's about glorification of a secessionist movement that hinged on slavery(or "the economy" as they like to say). Seems like any normal country would probably not constantly circlejerk themselves into a frenzy over civil wars, but who knows.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26776377 - 06/23/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

History is written by the victors and the south got their asses kicked so we don’t have to listen to their demands to keep their participation trophies 🏆


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26776386 - 06/23/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It's not about my feelings, it's about glorification of a secessionist movement that hinged on slavery(or "the economy" as they like to say). Seems like any normal country would probably not constantly circlejerk themselves into a frenzy over civil wars, but who knows.




I don't care if it's about the civil war or civil rights, any public symbol or statue needs to go. I don't want any cherry picking when it comes to this issue. Let's make it very simple, it's all or nothing.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman] * 5
    #26776393 - 06/23/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I can't think of a single moment in my life where I've given a fuck about a statue


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: feevers] * 4
    #26776403 - 06/23/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't think of a single moment in my life where I've given a fuck about a statue




Me either. If they left them all, wouldn't care. If they take them down, wouldn't care. I do find it funny that seemingly one of the bigger priorities we have right now in this country is taking down statues, taking rifles away from cartoon characters and taking logos away from syrup bottles :lol:

Talk about first world problems


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26776407 - 06/23/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't think of a single moment in my life where I've given a fuck about a statue



I saw one I really liked at a festival once:



That was the extent of my giving a fuck about statues.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26776414 - 06/23/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's what that statue symbolizes. I bet some racist pricks got the confederate statues erected in the 1st place. It's like that time the statue of the ten commandments was to be set up, then a group wanted a baphomet statue set up. All of a sudden nothing was set up, lol!



Satanic Temple Protests Ten Commandments Monument With Goat-Headed Statue
August 17, 20187:27 PM ET
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The Satanic Temple unveils its statue of Baphomet, a winged-goat creature, at a rally in Little Rock, Ark., Thursday. The group wants to install the statue on Capitol grounds because a monument of the Ten Commandments was placed there in 2017.
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It was there, then it wasn't.

Like an apparition that happens to involve a forklift, a truck and a 22-hour drive, a bronze statue of a goat-headed-and-winged creature appeared for a handful of hours at the foot of the State Capitol in Little Rock, Ark., on Thursday.

"I present to you Baphomet," Lucien Greaves, co-founder of The Satanic Temple, told the cheering crowd that had gathered for the "First Amendment Rally."


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The 7 1/2-foot figure is a symbol of pluralism, legal equality, tolerance and reconciliation for Satanists, Greaves explained to NPR on Friday.

And the reason he had hauled it out of storage to that particular site was to protest another monument permanently installed on the grounds: the Ten Commandments.

The Satanic Temple, a national organization with 15 chapters in the U.S. and one in Canada, objects to exclusively Christian religious displays on public property. It argues that public spaces should be free from religious messaging or be opened up to representations of all faiths, including Satanist icons.

"We have as little interest in forcing our beliefs and symbols upon you as we do in having the beliefs of others forced upon us," he said from a lectern at Thursday's rally.

Republican state Sen. Jason Rapert, who sponsored a 2015 bill that approved the Ten Commandments' placement on the Capitol grounds, told THV 11 that he "respects" everyone's right to free speech under the First Amendment.

But, he continued, "The people of Arkansas have the right to say that we disagree with your profane statements ... and really a war on the Ten Commandments."

"It will be a very cold day in hell before an offensive statue will be forced upon us to be permanently erected on the grounds of the Arkansas State Capitol," the senator also added.

The Satanic Temple isn't the only group opposing Rapert's monument. The group is trying to join a lawsuit filed by the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, which argues that the display is discriminatory and unconstitutional. A judge will determine whether the group can join the case.

The half-goat, half-man statue was originally commissioned to protest a Ten Commandments statue in Oklahoma, but a 2015 state Supreme Court decision ruled the 6-foot granite structure unconstitutional, so Greaves withdrew it from the site.

Now, he told NPR, "we're focused on Arkansas."

As NPR's Bill Chappell reported, "the first version of a Ten Commandments monument at the Arkansas Capitol lasted less than 24 hours before it was destroyed by a car last summer." The same man responsible for its destruction also destroyed the Ten Commandments monument in Oklahoma.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: feevers]
    #26776476 - 06/23/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't think of a single moment in my life where I've given a fuck about a statue




There used to be a statue of one of my French ancestors in downtown Montréal
set up to commemorate his leading a rebel movement against the English
it was removed a few years ago

c'est la vie


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26776710 - 06/23/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't think of a single moment in my life where I've given a fuck about a statue




Me either. If they left them all, wouldn't care. If they take them down, wouldn't care. I do find it funny that seemingly one of the bigger priorities we have right now in this country is taking down statues, taking rifles away from cartoon characters and taking logos away from syrup bottles :lol:

Talk about first world problems




Magic the gathering also just banned a bunch of cards that could be considered rascist - like wiped them our of existence.

Any card with 'Destroy all black creatures' is now banned from sanctioned play.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #26776723 - 06/23/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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feevers said:
I can't think of a single moment in my life where I've given a fuck about a statue



I saw one I really liked at a festival once:



That was the extent of my giving a fuck about statues.



This is clearly a monument to the relationship between men of Africa and the anus of Trent.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26776766 - 06/23/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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feevers said:
I can't think of a single moment in my life where I've given a fuck about a statue




There used to be a statue of one of my French ancestors in downtown Montréal
set up to commemorate his leading a rebel movement against the English
it was removed a few years ago

c'est la vie




When I lived in Montreal, there was a statue of Stonewall Jackson downtown right next to the Bay. I can’t imagine it’s still there. Many leaders and supporters of the confederacy escaped to Quebec at the end of the war to avoid prosecution they thought was coming.

Yup they took it down three years ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/montreal-has-a-strong-historical-link-to-americas-confederate-past/wcm/62133f7c-a3ea-4011-b3e8-3ca685a4c580/amp/


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: ManianFH]
    #26776771 - 06/23/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

In all due fairness to WOTC, one of those cards should of never made it past the censors, the rest of them after that was just to appease the woke mob.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: lowbrow]
    #26776791 - 06/23/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Why do people hace confederate monuments i don't get that


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #26776801 - 06/23/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hate or have? Or is that the singular first person conjugation of hacer?


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: koods]
    #26776807 - 06/23/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Hate or have? Or is that the singular first person conjugation of hacer?




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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26776820 - 06/23/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Why would ppl have a monument to traitors that almost destroyed the country over slavery? It makes me upset all those ppl dies horrible deaths and many people lost everything and were terrorized


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #26776845 - 06/23/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Why would ppl have a monument to traitors that almost destroyed the country over slavery? It makes me upset all those ppl dies horrible deaths and many people lost everything and were terrorized




When a nation engages in civil war, afterwards there are often attempts to reintegrate the country. There were many aspects to the Civil War, but we often forget that fact. I think it is crazy to say the Northerners were good people and those in the South were bad, as in traitors or terrorists. I do understand how we often want to demonize people.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #26776860 - 06/23/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nope I think we can call them traitors cuz thats what they are which makes them bad people. These statues and monuments weren't put in during the reconstruction most them were whole generations after.


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