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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #26695312 - 05/25/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’s awesome!

Some weird looking myc too.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26695314 - 05/25/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Very weird!


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] * 2
    #26699879 - 05/27/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

UPDATE:



So the fruit matured, dry weighed about 100x the 5mg of mea used, so its clearly getting at least some nutrition from the coir!

The myc looks weird af, it felt like plant roots attached to the fruit


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26699903 - 05/27/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder if potency is affected.

And if you’ll get a “second flush” lol.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26700123 - 05/27/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It works! How bout that!

:wooyeah:

Also, my predicition was close with "a couple small fruits". Looks like it was one medium sized one :thumbup:


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26700311 - 05/27/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i cant get over the morphology of the myc! it is like plant roots

i gave it a bit of water at harvest :wink:

maybe ill try to grow on a coir door mat haha


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #26700340 - 05/27/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's awesome.
Think about it. When Psilocybe Cubensis fruits in nature it is a few spores and a couple of clamp connections and boom fruit because of evaporation.

This follows the same path
  My Grain-less Coir grow is still healthy so far 2 days in and I  got clean agar growth on the sub.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26700345 - 05/27/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

nice :smile: whatd you inoc with?


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #26700354 - 05/27/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Experiments succeeding all over the place around here. Time for a mono.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Smartattack]
    #26700610 - 05/27/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

God damn, those are some hardcore strands of mycelium


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26700675 - 05/28/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The plant-like root mycelium strands are a trip! I never would have guessed it would grow like that :strokebeard:


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26700982 - 05/28/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Toc AGAR plate. Made a bunch of punches for more inoculation points and then ended up dumping the whole plate in the tub. Hoping the Mycelium colonizes the top of the tub before the mean green sets in.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26740784 - 06/12/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

flush #2 coming in


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26741208 - 06/13/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

lol I was dumping out old lc last week to make new ones and remembered this so I dumped one into some coir. Nothing grew but the lc was like 6 months old and sitting around in 80+ temps.

That’s a long time between flushes but I guess it’s gotta do a lot of work to collect enough nutrients.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26742227 - 06/13/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah for sure. In my case, i only used 3cc of lc, which contained exactly 5mg of LME


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26751849 - 06/17/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Update:

2nd flush weighed 4.7g wet



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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26751850 - 06/17/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What?!

That’s impressive. You gonna let it try for three?


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26751862 - 06/17/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah im surprised!

Why not? :smile:

Its already put out dry weight of about 200x the dry weight of the LME used in the lc (5mg), so i think it more than confirms yhay coir is nutritious enough to provide the majority of the nutrition required to fruit (which is a surprise to me)

Ofc its far from ideal, the same jar with grain would have probably put out a half ounce by now. Probably same if i used more LME too (rather than the bare minimum i used in the lc). But it does seem to be getting its nutrition from somewhere besides the 5mg lme in the lc


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26751906 - 06/17/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I dont think it's argued that coir has no nutrition, but that it has very little: which seems to be confirmed here, cool... it DID fruit, but it did NOT fruit well...  neat experiment, but only confirms the need for additional nutrition for economical (time and space mostly) results


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26751980 - 06/17/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I dont think it's argued that coir has no nutrition, but that it has very little: which seems to be confirmed here, cool... it DID fruit, but it did NOT fruit well...  neat experiment




There are tons of people that say "coir is not nutritious and all of the nutrition is supplied by the grain"

My experiment wasnt intended to prove anything, definitely not that coir can support prolific fruiting without grain

As stated in the original post, my goal was go determine HOW nutritious it is, by comparing the fruit output to the LME used

Definitely wasnt attempting to show that coir could support prolific fruiting alone or that grain wasnt needed for efficient grows (im dumb but not that dumb lol)

Whole point was to figure out how much of a fruits nutrition is supplied by coir vs grain, in an environment where there is very little grain (5mg LME)

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only confirms the need for additional nutrition for economical (time and space mostly) results




Well yeah we already knew that, the experiment wasnt designed to show otherwise. It also confirmed that water is required for myc to grow lol..

what i was investigating is how much fruit development beyond the weight of grain (LME) and water could be supported by coir alone. And the answer appears to be at least 200x the weight of LME, which is WAY more than i would have guessed


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