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OfflineMadMyc
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Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile
    #26699449 - 05/27/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quick intro that I did a bunch of shoeboxes with Ecuador in the exact same conditions and procedure, and they all behaved as expected.

So I went to do the same with B+ and had a confusing experience.  5 shoeboxes (I had done 5 of the Ecuador just before this as well).  1 shoebox of the B+ failed to thrive so I tossed it, it began to colonize the coir and then just stopped.  1 shoebox went gangbusters and was faster than any of the Ecuadors had been.  It also yielded more than the best performing Ecuador box.

But this concern is about the other three and what happened.  They colonized the coir, hyphal knots appeared, a beautiful pinset appeared teasing of future canopies.  And then nothing.  They just stalled with this little shrooms.  Fuzz appeared.  Over time I tried giving more FAE, letting it dry if it was too oversaturated, misting more if it needed more water. 

Here's some pics of how they look.  For weeks no change although I tried to vary the humidity and FAE.  They seem healthy still, no darkening.



So, the super yield B+ shoebox was sort of ongoing, I mean there weren't distinct flushes.  But afterwards I noticed this bizarre mutation (I did not harvest this):



Edited by MadMyc (05/27/20 01:26 PM)


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: MadMyc]
    #26699490 - 05/27/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

that's weird, man!


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: MadMyc]
    #26699499 - 05/27/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Forget the rest and clone the mutant!


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: trip_hazard]
    #26699518 - 05/27/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I included that mutant in case it offers a clue as to what happened.

I though I was looking at a huge success and it was a total failure. 
What went wrong with these 3 shoeboxes that they would start to pin so heavily and then just stop???


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: MadMyc]
    #26699525 - 05/27/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Can't offer an opinion on causation but that mutant is definitely a candidate for cloning if I've ever seen one.


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: MadMyc]
    #26699536 - 05/27/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think the mutant is just doing mutant things.  Seriously though - clone that bad boy and keep it going; there's a thread on tidalwave that I believe started as a mutant.  Check it out.

For the stall it's difficult to say though it's generally one of the following:
1. Wide temperature swings impacting fruiting
2. Moisture/humidity falling below usable level
3. Contamination
4. You said something snarky behind their backs and they caught wind of it

I'm going to go with number 3 though it's tough to say if the "fuzz appeared" is a cause or a result.  I'd wait for some of our contam experts to weigh in.


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: Padrey]
    #26699539 - 05/27/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It looks so crazy I wasn't sure it that was still cubensis!


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: MadMyc]
    #26699624 - 05/27/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Only one way to find out. Boof it.


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: Padrey]
    #26699649 - 05/27/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've said this a million times.
B+ Sure does love to mutate!
Pics in sig are B+ the one on the left is first gen and one on the right is second gen.


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: mushhead]
    #26699681 - 05/27/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So are you saying just to move on and not put much stock in B+?


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: MadMyc]
    #26699710 - 05/27/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Those don’t look right at all.

I’m gonna guess probably bacteria of some sort.

I’ve had similar tubs with crazy dense pinsets and then they ended up weird and small, but they smelled different and definitely had bacteria.




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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: A.k.a]
    #26699753 - 05/27/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So bacteia was holding them back.  I was trying to give the shoeboxes the best environment to thrive, but I guess I missed


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: MadMyc]
    #26699756 - 05/27/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MadMyc said:
So are you saying just to move on and not put much stock in B+?



Uh... no I didn't say anything of the sort. B+ without contamination is awesome and yields quite the harvest.
It just loves to do wacky stuff. Now that aka mentions it does look as though its bacterial.


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: mushhead]
    #26699919 - 05/27/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Those type of weird cap mutations are usually the result of standing water on the primordia and pins, seems to cause them to fuse together.  Dunno what your problem was, probably something iffy about your spawn.  I often get those cap mutations in cold temps when shit takes fooooreeeeever to fruit.


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #26700212 - 05/27/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There isn't any funky smell.  The jars that made the grain spawn looked good, and up until that point the shoeboxes were colonizing normally.  I guess there could be bacteria, but I haven't detected any outright.


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: MadMyc] * 1
    #26700449 - 05/27/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sometimes the only way to know you got bad spawn is a bad result.  Tiny bits of meshed mold, bactera, etc.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: A.k.a]
    #26700503 - 05/27/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mushhead said:

B+ Sure does love to mutate!




Sure does.

Agree with A.k.a and others on the bacteria though.  Still... I get VERY few mutations outside of growing B+.  Not as many and not nearly as extreme.  Either/or it's eye candy to me.  :dementedmario: :thumbup:

I'd still make tea out of it, and clone it too.  Becasue reasons.  I've comsumed some gnarly shrooms and lived to tell the tale.  It'a be a'ight.


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Re: Shoebox Stall - B+ is volatile [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26701456 - 05/28/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, I went ahead and harvested since it seems a dead end.  There was actually a significant amount of mushroom there given the desnity of the pinset, it was extremely tedious to harvest and dehydrate though.

Even with the implied bacteria, these should still be safe to consume right?

I'm also wondering how potent they will be, lots more surface area given the tiny nature, but I hear mutants and little ones have higher potency too.


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