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Dr.PsiloScyence
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Typical Ovoid Spore Print??
#26699112 - 05/27/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So, I believe I may have found a patch of Ovoids and I'm a newbie at hunting. Heres a pic of the spore print but I'm concerned about the brown/orange part. There is a part where it is blackish/purple but mostly this is brown. It is worth noting that they were found late into maturity as they were very wavy like they had already released a majority of there spores. Any verification would be greatly appreciated thanks.
https://files.shroomery.org/files/20-22/059410755-Screenshot_20200527-113942_Messages.jpg
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evlyshrooms
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Looks orange so not ovoids. any pictures of actual specimen?
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Re: Typical Ovoid Spore Print?? [Re: evlyshrooms]
#26699137 - 05/27/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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doctorghosty
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Could easily be ovoids, they can have rusty sporeprints
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doctorghosty
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Yeah those are ovoids
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You should take into consideration that spore print color may vary depending on the density, i.e. how many spores are dropped. The more spores, the darker the print gets. Also, genetics may be a factor, as seen in P. cubensis where you'll sometimes get nearly black prints, as well as there being a genetic variety giving red spore prints.
I've also seen Galerina and Cortinarius prints that verge on the border of purplish brown, even as they are known to have rusty brown prints. As such, spore prints alone can never really pin an identification, a combination of confirmed features are needed. In your case, if they bruise obviously blue, and have the other tell-tale features of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, I would say you're safe.
I think your last picture looks promising, but it would be better if all specimens were the same distance from your camera lens and the picture a little bit better lit.
The bottom line is, if you're in doubt, throw them out.
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evlyshrooms
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Having hard time determining ID from those pics. More close ups would help. Its looks like it may be a mix of different mushrooms. Were all prints the same color
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evlyshrooms
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Quote:
doctorghosty said: Could easily be ovoids, they can have rusty sporeprints
learn something new everyday I guess. had no clue
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Re: Typical Ovoid Spore Print?? [Re: evlyshrooms]
#26699168 - 05/27/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Currently away from them,so I can't get any good close ups as of the moment. I have a pretty high end microscope. Do you think verification could be done via microscopy. It's been a long while since I've broken out the microscope but if it could be utilized to verify. I'd be more than happy to and even post pics if it would help
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Re: Typical Ovoid Spore Print?? [Re: evlyshrooms] 1
#26699171 - 05/27/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what causes it but it's not necessarily genetic. They can alternate between really rusty and the typical color from year to year (same patch). Subaeruginosa will do the same. All the true wild prints I've seen have been typical color, it's the mulch patch ones that tend to do this ime.
Edited by Rumblestrip (05/27/20 10:21 AM)
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evlyshrooms
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Well the TI has spoken and confirmed ovoid so you're good to go mate
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It would be very interesting to see some of the orange spores under a microscope, higher magnification is better.
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Yes it would be Alan. Who knows, the opportunity to examine some may just fall into your lap. I've noted the color change on more than one occasion. As mentioned ps. subaeruginosa does the same thing but to a lesser degree.
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