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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26697522 - 05/26/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: i think people are capeable of making risk averse choices by themselves.
Right. That's why working conditions were so great for almost everyone at the start of the industrial revolution.
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BANANA.MAN said: i think people are capeable of making risk averse choices by themselves.
Right. That's why working conditions were so great for almost everyone at the start of the industrial revolution.
ok so you are agreeing with me that freedom has been taken away. you just think thats a good thing. now im happy to move on fron there.
the laws passed as a result of the working conditions during the industrial revolution were made to prevent employers from breaching their contract with employees. thats not taking away freedom. thats just holding employers to their word and making them accountable for lying. i have no problems with those laws.
if an employer goes against a voluntary agreement he made with his employee thats wrong and the law should hold the employer accountable.
also you hear about the awfulness of the industrial revolution in the cities but you dont hear about the awfulness of rural life before the industrial revolution.
but i agree that people should not be allowed to violate contracts and the law should hold them accountable for doing so.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26697562 - 05/26/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, I don't think it's a 'good thing'. Just because your thought process devolves to the lowest common denominator it doesn't mean that mine does too. I didn't read the rest of your post after that, because what starts as drivel and assumption will only become moreso.
The whole subject is extremely subtle and nuanced. End of story.
The point that SITR raised earlier is 'what are all these freedoms that people are complaining about being taken away?'
I hear it all the time here and I'm in complete agreement that I don't see it and those that tout it most frequently just seem to be a bunch of whiny crybabies.
I know several of them personally, and they are NOT emotionally well adjusted people.
Far from it, in fact.
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Jokeshopbeard said: No, I don't think it's a 'good thing'. Just because your thought process devolves to the lowest common denominator it doesn't mean that mine does too. I didn't read the rest of your post after that, because what starts as drivel and assumption will only become moreso.
The whole subject is extremely subtle and nuanced. End of story.
The point that SITR raised earlier is 'what are all these freedoms that people are complaining about being taken away?'
I hear it all the time here and I'm in complete agreement that I don't see it and those that tout it most frequently just seem to be a bunch of whiny crybabies.
I know several of them personally, and they are NOT emotionally well adjusted people.
Far from it, in fact.
do you think that its a good thing for the government to prohibit businesses from operating?
why are you getting angry and insulting? im just trying to discuss.
before we move on we must hammer out whether or not the government has taken away freedom.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26697574 - 05/26/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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if it poses a risk to people
there are no guidelines for reopening and it shouldnt need to be developed state by state
the government isnt doing anything
not even breaking up groups
just killing black ppl
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it only poses a risk to people who voluntarily take on that risk by voluntarily conducting business.
its not like door to door salesmen are going up to people who are attempting to socially distance.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26697595 - 05/26/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: why are you getting angry and insulting? im just trying to discuss.
before we move on we must hammer out whether or not the government has taken away freedom.
I am not angry, and I am not insulting you. I am, however, being quite critical of your words because they're really quite stupid.
Governments take away freedom, it is a fact. This is the norm, not the exception, as ever.
So what? Are you going to find a different planet to live on?
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BANANA.MAN said: why are you getting angry and insulting? im just trying to discuss.
before we move on we must hammer out whether or not the government has taken away freedom.
I am not angry, and I am not insulting you. I am, however, being quite critical of your words because they're really quite stupid.
Governments take away freedom, it is a fact. This is the norm, not the exception, as ever.
So what? Are you going to find a different planet to live on?
ok so you agree that freedom has been taken away. you think its good right?
if thats the case then im happy to continue with your point about the industrial revolution so refer back if you would like to continue.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26697654 - 05/26/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would not like to continue with someone who says that 'you think it's good right' when I just told you 'no, I do not think it is good'.
I'd rather have a conversation with a termite.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta] 3
#26697660 - 05/26/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Don't you see how perfect the game they made to keep people distracted is. People let politics fill every nook and cranny of their thoughts. It's like a sunglasses over your perception of reality. People are lead to believe their governance and political activism is everything. The real freedom people lost is the freedom to think for themselves. They have willingly let a battle between their ideology and the other ideology/ies become the focus of their life. Spooky demon rhetoric about "the others". The real thing government takes away is potential. It's a parasite that secretes a mind altering drug called politics that keeps people distracted from the productivity it steals.
Being contrarian at every turn doesn't mean you're thinking for yourself. The fact that the media is constantly attempting to use the events occurring to take political potshots is very frustrating to me. But you throw the baby out with the bathwater: "Oh, masks don't work," etc.
In any case, thinking for yourself is arguably only desirable for the collective if you're educated.
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Jokeshopbeard said: I would not like to continue with someone who says that 'you think it's good right' when I just told you 'no, I do not think it is good'.
I'd rather have a conversation with a termite.
im asking a question. im trying to hammer out the point i was acctually talking about before being dragged into your unrelated topics.
so you dont think its good for the government to deem businesses non essential and prohibit them from operating?
you cant be upset that im not going skip over the discussion at hand into your unrelated topics.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26697691 - 05/26/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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you just want ppl to waste their time explaining history
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cannabinated said: you just want ppl to waste their time explaining history 
acctually i just wanted to point out to shroomer that freedoms have indeed been taken away regardless of whether or not she thinks its for the best.
My intent was not to talk about legislation passed as a result of the industrial revolution but jokeshop brought it up and im always down to have a discussion.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26697705 - 05/26/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: it only poses a risk to people who voluntarily take on that risk by voluntarily conducting business.
its not like door to door salesmen are going up to people who are attempting to socially distance.
With businesses open, people have no choice but to work. They can't expect to rely on government assistance. How voluntary is that, really?
"We need to reopen the economy". Well, that requires people to go back to work.
I don't know about you, but I've had many jobs where when one staff member got sick, half of the staff got sick.
At this point, we have the capacity to handle the sick, so it can definitely argued that reopening the economy in a measured way is the best thing to do, but it's obtuse to suggest that people will simply be able to choose not to work.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] 2
#26697747 - 05/26/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's an election move. Trump equates closing the shit down to loosing the election.
Hes basically the mayor in jaws.
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BANANA.MAN said: it only poses a risk to people who voluntarily take on that risk by voluntarily conducting business.
its not like door to door salesmen are going up to people who are attempting to socially distance.
With businesses open, people have no choice but to work. They can't expect to rely on government assistance. How voluntary is that, really?
"We need to reopen the economy". Well, that requires people to go back to work.
I don't know about you, but I've had many jobs where when one staff member got sick, half of the staff got sick.
At this point, we have the capacity to handle the sick, so it can definitely argued that reopening the economy in a measured way is the best thing to do, but it's obtuse to suggest that people will simply be able to choose not to work.
government assistance is not the only alternative to people starving. private charity exists. the more we expand and rely on governemnt the further we are removed from our sense of community.
seeing your community help you out voluntarily creates a feeling of obligation to use that help wisely and pay if foreward when you are able. I think thats a much better way for society to operate.
Now im sure we disagree about that. and thats ok. My point was to give shroomer some examples of the freedoms people are talking about. I dont expect to convince you that government assistance is not the answer.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26697823 - 05/26/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't say it was. I said that it's obtuse to suggest that people can "voluntarily" choose not to work with the economy reopen. Even if such a thing were possible... you realize the economy needs workers to run right?
Yes, let's get everyone to rely on charity for their medical services, utilities, phone bills, gas, etc. That is going to go over really well 
My girlfriend's dad is a major player in a charity organization called Rotary. Charity organizations are suffering big time BECAUSE people aren't working and cannot contribute.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: mushboy]
#26697844 - 05/26/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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also you hear about the awfulness of the industrial revolution in the cities but you dont hear about the awfulness of rural life before the industrial revolution.
Do you have a point or is this a conservative reflexive whatsboutism you have no control over?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26697850 - 05/26/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: it only poses a risk to people who voluntarily take on that risk by voluntarily conducting business.
its not like door to door salesmen are going up to people who are attempting to socially distance.
With businesses open, people have no choice but to work. They can't expect to rely on government assistance. How voluntary is that, really?
"We need to reopen the economy". Well, that requires people to go back to work.
I don't know about you, but I've had many jobs where when one staff member got sick, half of the staff got sick.
At this point, we have the capacity to handle the sick, so it can definitely argued that reopening the economy in a measured way is the best thing to do, but it's obtuse to suggest that people will simply be able to choose not to work.
government assistance is not the only alternative to people starving. private charity exists. the more we expand and rely on governemnt the further we are removed from our sense of community.
seeing your community help you out voluntarily creates a feeling of obligation to use that help wisely and pay if foreward when you are able. I think thats a much better way for society to operate. .
This guy watched the hunger games and thinks it’s a blueprint for society
Do you masturbate to pictures of Ayn Rand?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
#26697860 - 05/26/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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also you hear about the awfulness of the industrial revolution in the cities but you dont hear about the awfulness of rural life before the industrial revolution.
Do you have a point or is this a conservative reflexive whatsboutism you have no control over?
that was a side point. but no its not what about ism. I'm saying people chose to move to the cities to get jobs during the industrial revolution. it must have been a step up or why would they flock to cities?
my point was the laws passed in response to the industrial revolution were just and I have no problem with them.
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