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Grain advantages/disadvantages
    #26697389 - 05/26/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oats are so cheap and I wanted so bad for them to work for me right off the back but it appears there’s a learning curve in regards to burst hulls and bacteria. I’ve got 2 fifty pound bags to go through so I’m gonna use em eventually but I want something to work right now :mad2:. Rye berries are the gold standard due to their forgiving prep, wbs is similar I hear. What’re your favorite and least favorite grains  and for what reasons?


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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26697426 - 05/26/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've only ever used whole oats so I guess that's my favorite by default. What issues in the prep are you having?


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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: pureshrooming]
    #26697446 - 05/26/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Milo is my favorite. Lots of inoculation points, easy prep.


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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: Strainsfordaze]
    #26697512 - 05/26/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have had great success with whole oats by using SmartAttack's Phucket Bucket tek. It is great for coir and oat prep. Damn near fool proof oat prep. Then I follow Bod's tek for sterilizing the jars. Just make sure you vent your PC for ten minutes before you put the weight on. Not a single contaminated jar using these two teks.

SmartAttack phucket bucket tek
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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: pureshrooming]
    #26697527 - 05/26/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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pureshrooming said:
I've only ever used whole oats so I guess that's my favorite by default. What issues in the prep are you having?



I get a lot of burst hulls which in turn lead has led to my jars turning bacterial, even with thorough drying.


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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: Strainsfordaze]
    #26697536 - 05/26/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Strainsfordaze said:
Milo is my favorite. Lots of inoculation points, easy prep.




I’ve wanted to try millet but my tractor supply doesn’t carry it. Do you use is as your main grain or just for g2g?


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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26697561 - 05/26/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

When I boil the oats, I get water boiling in my pressure cooker with lid off then I add the oats and only boil for 15 mins. I then dump them into strainers and let sit for 1.5-2 hours mixing them up a little every 20 mins or so. Far less burst hulls this way.


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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #26697569 - 05/26/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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tydygy said:
I have had great success with whole oats by using SmartAttack's Phucket Bucket tek. It is great for coir and oat prep. Damn near fool proof oat prep. Then I follow Bod's tek for sterilizing the jars. Just make sure you vent your PC for ten minutes before you put the weight on. Not a single contaminated jar using these two teks.

SmartAttack phucket bucket tek
Bod's PC tek




I’ve tried bods oat prep and fucked up by not introducing the oats once the water was already boiling. I read the bucket tek but it looks like more work than I really feel like doing, I’m a lazy sumbitch lol. But I bet the steam does a much better job of keeping the grain from getting too hydrated, might try it in a couple weeks if I can’t get this way to work by then lol.


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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: orange771]
    #26697577 - 05/26/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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orange771 said:
When I boil the oats, I get water boiling in my pressure cooker with lid off then I add the oats and only boil for 15 mins. I then dump them into strainers and let sit for 1.5-2 hours mixing them up a little every 20 mins or so. Far less burst hulls this way.




I figured reducing boil time was probably the next step I should take I’m just worried about the grains getting too dry halfway through colonization.


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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26697607 - 05/26/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I like oats..

My method Is for ten qt. jars:

Four quarts dry oats.
Six quarts water.
Turn burner on high. 35 min. later turn flame off.
Cut some grain in half with scissors. If you see white center core boil a little longer until grain is no longer white in the center.
I soup ladle off a couple of quarts of grain water for making agar plates.

Strain off any water that's left.
I have a wooden frame 4'x5' covered with nylon window screen.
I dump all the hydrated oats on to the frame and spread as thin of a layer as possible. This is done all outdoors.
I let the sun and wind super dry the oats for the next 3 to six hours raking and redistribute the oats so they all get the sun and air.

Next: load up ten jars and into the pressure cooker for a couple of hours.

When the pc. cycle is done and the gauge hit zero I move the pc in front of the flow hood for a sterile air cool down. I wouldn't recommend this last step to anyone but that's what I do.













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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26697659 - 05/26/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I get a lot of burst hulls which in turn lead has led to my jars turning bacterial, even with thorough drying.




I bring my oats up to a boil and start a timer for 20m. Use a big slotted spoon and check for burst grains once the timer goes off. I also like to pull a few grains out and give them a squish to see the inside. It should look plump and cooked inside.


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Re: Grain advantages/disadvantages [Re: pureshrooming]
    #26697725 - 05/26/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah oats are just about figuring out hydration. Wild birdseed (WBS) is more expensive than oats normally, but it can be pretty fucking easy to prep. Especially when you just do an overnight (16-24 hours normally) soak. You can also use boiled water methods. Check out FooMan's WBS tek, mushboy's WBS tek, Frank's WBS tek... There's a lot. I like the 16-24 hours soak if I have the time cause it's REALLY easy and straight forward. But that requires a good bit of foresight, so it's only ideal in specific scenarios.

Edit: I also have heard rye berries are pretty forgiving, but I've never messed around with them.


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