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Impotent shrooms? * 1
    #26697424 - 05/26/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Greetings all,

My first attempt at growing shrooms failed, I tried from spores and a grow kit in parallel, so I was sure I'd end up with at least something, yet I didn't😅. (dunno why the spores failed, and the grow kit started growing on the side without me noticing for way too long, and got contaminated after that)

My second attempt are 2 grow kits, they're doing fine, got 2 flushes from both already. Each flush is about 8-9 grams dried, so it's not bad. I wanted to know how potent they were, so I ate one entire flush at once after they dried (harvested at noon, dried and ate them that evening). I expected quite much since it was 8 grams, yet they were quite the disappointment, they felt quite similar to 15g of truffles, which is half of what I usually had.

The shrooms were cubes, some strain called McKennaii. I dried them in a food dryer and they were dry as crackers when I took them. What might be the reason why they felt weak? Because 8g should've blown my socks off right? Or at least equal 30g of truffles.
Is it just bad luck, bad strain, or could it have been tolerance? Since I had 720ug of 1p 8 days before the shroom trip.

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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Flyingvibrator] * 2
    #26697528 - 05/26/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Spores are a crap shoot so potency is never guaranteed unless you have a monoculture.
Not familiar with 1p but that time frame seems plausible. I do know there is a cross tolerance between lsd and mushrooms and since 1p is an analogue of lsd it seems likely. 

Could be a bit of both.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Mad Hatter] * 1
    #26697645 - 05/26/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

As Mad Hatter said, MS potency is very variable. However, in all of my MS grows, I've never had such weak mushrooms that I could imagine taking 8g casually.

Are you on any medication?

Perhaps you have a naturally high tolerance. If you want to get more consistent doses, gather all of your mushrooms together, grind them in a coffee grinder, and encapsulate the powder. This will homogenize the batch and give you more consistent potency rather than having some that are extremely potent and others that are "bunk".

And maybe its cross tolerance, although I don't have any experience with LSD or its analogues so I can't speak from experience.1


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26697721 - 05/26/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Spores a crapshoot? Really? I assumed that the stores selling them got that shit down pretty decently 😅...

I was planning on trying with spores again and see how that goes.

1p acts the same as LSD, therefore cross tolerance, but I assumed that that wouldn't be a problem after a week, maybe it is tho because that was quite a decent amount of acid lol.

Nahh, not on any meds, I know that some meds don't go well together with psychedelics. But yeah, I think my tolerance is at least above average.

Grinding and making pills sounds decent, I'd probably have to eat quite a few tho. If the next attempt is bunk as well I'd give that a gi


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Flyingvibrator]
    #26697737 - 05/26/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah what they mean by spores are a crapshoot is that you can't consistently know the potency. If you harvest an isolate or monoculture, you can be fairly sure what kind of trip a eighth will give you every time you take them. However, with MS you can have an eighth that will blow you a way or an eighth that will get you tripping, but you'll still know you're on planet earth. I'm with Socrates though, unless you have a crazy tolerance or medicine interactions (which you said you didn't) even 8 g's of dried shrooms from an MS grow should have definitely been a fairly good trip. I have no idea if there is potential for cross tolerance with shrooms and LSD (and LSD analogues), but I know I've taken LSD and then shrooms roughly a week or so later with no noticeable decline from tolerance.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Gan]
    #26697749 - 05/26/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well on the bright side each flush is different also so maybe the next one will be good. Sounds like it can’t get any weaker.

I also have never had any so weak I would take 8g to start.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26697769 - 05/26/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Clone a super blue fruit. When I look for a clone I want the part where I cut to blue so intensely that the only white left is the stipe edge and the center, and it should happen in 90seconds max.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26697781 - 05/26/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah whenever you do get a good grow, you'll be somewhere between Mars and Jupiter from testing 8 g's dried haha  :trippindude:


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Gan]
    #26697900 - 05/26/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

8g IS my tester dose: it's a mistake sometimes lol


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Gan]
    #26697915 - 05/26/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm having the same issue. 4 days ago I ate 6 grams fresh and got a little body high but no trip. The next day I ate 2.5 grams dry yet again body high but no trip. And last night I ate 5 grams dry slight trip and heady high but not anywhere near what it should have been. I think I'm immune to tripping lol or the high setting on the dehydrator nuked the actives. IDK still going to try a higher dose after more Mazatapec's grow. First 3 trys were PESH strain which I've given up on.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: ForgottenFreshness]
    #26697921 - 05/26/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ah maybe I'll try 8g for my next tester dose then lol:anticipation:


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: ForgottenFreshness]
    #26697925 - 05/26/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

6 fresh grams is only .6g dry, dosing the following day is a waste of mushrooms imo as your tolerance builds rather quickly... wait a week and eat 3.5 DRY grams

I have dosed 46.5 dry grams in a single tea, and 100 dry geams over 22hrs... it's safe to high dose if you're in a safe environment for tripping...


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26697927 - 05/26/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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6 fresh grams is only .6g dry, dosing the following day is a waste of mushrooms imo as your tolerance builds rather quickly... wait a week and eat 3.5 DRY grams




Ok sounds like I need to wait thanks


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: ForgottenFreshness]
    #26697934 - 05/26/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I've never dosed anything over about 8g dry so far. Mostly because none of my friends are experienced enough that I would trust them to trip sit me while I tripped balls off 15+ g. My gf is slowly getting to the point that I think I'll trust her enough to sit for me to take a huge dose. I'm both looking forward to and nervous as hell (in a good way) about a hero dose lol. Whenver I finally get the opportunity.

I can't imagine a 40+ g trip. Better buckle up and get ready for the ride lol


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26697938 - 05/26/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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6 fresh grams is only .6g dry, dosing the following day is a waste of mushrooms imo as your tolerance builds rather quickly... wait a week and eat 3.5 DRY grams

I have dosed 46.5 dry grams in a single tea, and 100 dry geams over 22hrs... it's safe to high dose if you're in a safe environment for tripping...




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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: ouuwee]
    #26697950 - 05/26/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not suggesting it, just sayin: DONT BE SKURD!


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: ForgottenFreshness]
    #26697965 - 05/26/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It takes about 2 weeks for psilocybin/psilocin tolerance to get close the base levels. 4 weeks is reccomend. Tolerance goes up really fast.

Ive eaten 9 grams no tolerance then the next day (camping trip others wise i wouldnt of dosed 2 days in a row) ate 18 grams (largest dose ever) and tripped hard but the visuals were no where near as detailed as the 7gs. Monoculture grow to.

Tampanensis btw. Fruits not stones.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Mad Hatter]
    #26697974 - 05/26/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, if I'm dosing regularly, a week isn't enough time for baseline, but I can typically still have a blast on a moderate dose... guess I need to give some exotica a whirl: cubes and gourmets


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26697985 - 05/26/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Try out tampanensis the fruits are really strong, amazing visuals, comparable to pa. Cyanescens, they fruit easily but getting condition's right  to make the fruits aesthetically pleasing or caps big enough for spore print is a learning curve, so rewarding when successful though. Plus you can harvest stones if you want.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Mad Hatter]
    #26698068 - 05/26/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Meh... my workload doesn't really allow for projects much anymore... maybe one of these days


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26698154 - 05/26/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn’t even need a sitter on doses that high.

Anything over 4-5gs and I’m layed out lost in my mind.


Like my third or fourth trip I remember being on my computer making a perfect playlist and burning it to a cd. Then when I was peaking layed down and grabbed my discman and listened to it and had a great trip.

Then when I came down realized I put the headphones on and pushed play but never actually plugged the headphones into the discman.

I swear I listened to every song though lol.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Flyingvibrator]
    #26698263 - 05/26/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Greetings all,

My first attempt at growing shrooms failed, I tried from spores and a grow kit in parallel, so I was sure I'd end up with at least something, yet I didn't😅. (dunno why the spores failed, and the grow kit started growing on the side without me noticing for way too long, and got contaminated after that)

My second attempt are 2 grow kits, they're doing fine, got 2 flushes from both already. Each flush is about 8-9 grams dried, so it's not bad. I wanted to know how potent they were, so I ate one entire flush at once after they dried (harvested at noon, dried and ate them that evening). I expected quite much since it was 8 grams, yet they were quite the disappointment, they felt quite similar to 15g of truffles, which is half of what I usually had.

The shrooms were cubes, some strain called McKennaii. I dried them in a food dryer and they were dry as crackers when I took them. What might be the reason why they felt weak? Because 8g should've blown my socks off right? Or at least equal 30g of truffles.
Is it just bad luck, bad strain, or could it have been tolerance? Since I had 720ug of 1p 8 days before the shroom trip.

Thanks in advance




Im guessing you have a natural high tolerance to shrooms. Some people do :shrug:

Also there is cross-tolerance as well since you took a large dose of 1P-LSD 8 days before. And that large dose suggests that you have tolerance to 1P as well perhaps?

I suggest growing a more potent mutant strain like PE, APE, KSSS, RustyWhyte or African Transkei.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26698289 - 05/27/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm not suggesting it, just sayin: DONT BE SKURD!




I'd definitely be a little skurd  :wowz:

I can do 5g+ but nibbling over the course of 3-4 hours. Most I'll do at once is 2.5g and even then I need about 30m during the come up to be by myself.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: pureshrooming] * 1
    #26698961 - 05/27/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I know a guy like that who won’t take more than 2g at once.

Ime that can be an uncomfortable dose. For me each level deep into a trip gets tougher on the higher end. So for example a high level 2 could be uncomfortable while a low level 3 would be a blast.

2.5 is usually right at the door of a real trip but your mind can still fight it. Just dose 3.5 one time and see what happens. It’s not drastically different but much more relaxed for me.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26699064 - 05/27/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I know a guy like that who won’t take more than 2g at once.

Ime that can be an uncomfortable dose. For me each level deep into a trip gets tougher on the higher end. So for example a high level 2 could be uncomfortable while a low level 3 would be a blast.

2.5 is usually right at the door of a real trip but your mind can still fight it. Just dose 3.5 one time and see what happens. It’s not drastically different but much more relaxed for me.




:whathesaid:

It’s obviously more intense at 3g than 2g but I totally agree. The higher the dosage, the more my ego is suppressed and the less ego there is to fight against the trip.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26699076 - 05/27/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I agree 100%. One of my least favorite experiences on shrooms was when I first started and I was in that mindset where I didn't wanna go much over 2 g's because I knew that would put me in a spot where I couldn't overpower the trip if things started to go down a path I didn't enjoy. I quickly found out that a lot of my issues with my trips were because I was fighting the trip unless it went exactly how I wanted it to. Once I started kinda letting the trip guide me, instead of me guiding the trip I began to become MUCH more comfortable with larger doses and tripping in general. Now if things start getting weird or overwhelming I just buckle up and let it take over lol.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Gan]
    #26699885 - 05/27/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I guess i'll give them another shot, and if they're still weak as hell, I'll donate them to a charity XD and get me some spores of a stronger strain. Still got more than enough 1p to amuse myself when i have to wait for the other cubes lol.

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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Flyingvibrator]
    #26699901 - 05/27/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

All cubes have the same potency profile besides penis envy varieties.

Just because the 1st grow from a syringe produced weak mushrooms doesnt mean the 2nd grow with the same syringe will produce weak mushrooms. Wait atleast 2 weeks to get a good trip I prefer 4.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Mad Hatter] * 1
    #26699983 - 05/27/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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All cubes have the same potency profile besides penis envy varieties.

Just because the 1st grow from a syringe produced weak mushrooms doesnt mean the 2nd grow with the same syringe will produce weak mushrooms. Wait atleast 2 weeks to get a good trip I prefer 4.




They aren't even from a syringe, they're from a grow kit. Next grow will be with a syringe tho.
I usually wait at least a week, but maybe that extreme amount of acid needs a bit more than a week lol.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Mad Hatter]
    #26700118 - 05/27/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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All cubes have the same potency profile besides penis envy varieties.




Thats not exactly accurate. Theres other mutant varieties besides PE that are potent such as KSSS, Rusty Whyte and African Transkei (among others as well).


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26700157 - 05/27/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Good catch should of said mutant varieties  not  pe varieties. My mitake damn wine.... lol. Ill rephrase properly

All standard cube have the same potency profile besides mutant varieties.


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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Mad Hatter]
    #26700350 - 05/27/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Rusty is usually above average too??

I did not know that. A few people have told me it’s one of their favorites but I didn’t know it was PE level potent.

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Re: Impotent shrooms? [Re: Flyingvibrator]
    #26701815 - 05/28/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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All cubes have the same potency profile besides penis envy varieties.

Just because the 1st grow from a syringe produced weak mushrooms doesnt mean the 2nd grow with the same syringe will produce weak mushrooms. Wait atleast 2 weeks to get a good trip I prefer 4.




They aren't even from a syringe, they're from a grow kit. Next grow will be with a syringe tho.
I usually wait at least a week, but maybe that extreme amount of acid needs a bit more than a week lol.




The grow kit was pre-inoculated? Otherwise didn't they give you a syringe with the kit to inoculate?

Either way, as mentioned above, there are some cube strains (the "mutant" strains) that are generally considerably more potent even with the variability of MS genetics. If you are planning on growing with the PF TEK method, and want to grow the mutant strains, shred your cakes o bulk with coir. PEs and APEs seem to have a harder time on cakes in a fruiting chamber but work well when shredded to bulk (at least APEs did very well for me from cakes to bulk).


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    #26702105 - 05/28/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Flyingvibrator said:
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All cubes have the same potency profile besides penis envy varieties.

Just because the 1st grow from a syringe produced weak mushrooms doesnt mean the 2nd grow with the same syringe will produce weak mushrooms. Wait atleast 2 weeks to get a good trip I prefer 4.




They aren't even from a syringe, they're from a grow kit. Next grow will be with a syringe tho.
I usually wait at least a week, but maybe that extreme amount of acid needs a bit more than a week lol.




The grow kit was pre-inoculated? Otherwise didn't they give you a syringe with the kit to inoculate?

Either way, as mentioned above, there are some cube strains (the "mutant" strains) that are generally considerably more potent even with the variability of MS genetics. If you are planning on growing with the PF TEK method, and want to grow the mutant strains, shred your cakes o bulk with coir. PEs and APEs seem to have a harder time on cakes in a fruiting chamber but work well when shredded to bulk (at least APEs did very well for me from cakes to bulk).




Yeah the grow kit is just a block of mycelium that's closed up and ready to start fruiting (or however you call it, it's fully colonised but not growing any shrooms yet). No included syringe, not needed ofc. Just take the lit off, put them in the bad and you don't have to do a lot more. Well I ditched the bags and put them on plates in a tub because the mushies were hitting the bag. One annoying thing I'm having with those kits is that the shrooms keep growing on the sides and not on the top, even though the light was only hitting the top. But now it doesn't matter since they're not in they're on plates.

When I want to start growing with spores I'll probs just open another thread to make sure I don't fuck that one up again🤣. I still got a lot of perlite laying around, which I do wanna use in some way. But I'll see how and what I do.


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    #26702167 - 05/28/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I know a guy like that who won’t take more than 2g at once.

Ime that can be an uncomfortable dose. For me each level deep into a trip gets tougher on the higher end. So for example a high level 2 could be uncomfortable while a low level 3 would be a blast.

2.5 is usually right at the door of a real trip but your mind can still fight it. Just dose 3.5 one time and see what happens. It’s not drastically different but much more relaxed for me.




Damn that's pretty compelling. You're probably spot on cause at 2.5g, I get really uncomfortable with knowing what to do or think and I end up getting really self conscious even just by myself. Sounds like I need to set some me time :grin:


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    #26706699 - 05/30/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm more intimidated by 2.5g than of 25g: 2.5g usually puts me in the static between channels... with 7+ grams of decent cubensis, there's no choice in the matter, and the channel changes/frequency increases much faster... you wont catch me consuming less than 5g... even 5g can land you awkwardly if they're below average potency IMO/E

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    #26706742 - 05/30/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

lol I gotta show this page to my friend.

Pretty good argument for dosing higher.

I still don’t understand how somebody could try shrooms and not want to go deep at least once.

I know another guy who kept taking like .75-1g. I kinda felt bad doing this but I gave him a gram of tiny PE one time without saying anything.

He fucking loved it. The next day he was like man that was totally different! Now I know why you told me to listen to music in the dark I could like see the music!


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    #26706753 - 05/30/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Microdose all day everyday. 1 fresh pin a day keeps the doctor away. Watch in a year there will be reports that Psilocybin blocks the ability for corona Sars2 to latch on to something important to replicate. Haha


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    #26706760 - 05/30/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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after they dried (harvested at noon, dried and ate them that evening). .






They're weak because you didn't eat 8 DRY grams. Dry them for 18-24 hrs.


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    #26706784 - 05/30/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Microdose all day everyday. 1 fresh pin a day keeps the doctor away. Watch in a year there will be reports that Psilocybin blocks the ability for corona Sars2 to latch on to something important to replicate. Haha





I just saw a thing on the news about thc/cbd making the spots the virus can use drop by 70%. Pretty awesome if it’s real.

Do you microdose regularly?? I’ve just experimented with it recently a few times in 7-10 day stretches of dosing every other day.

One of my good friends wife has had crazy cluster headaches and anxiety for the last 20 years so I gave him a bunch of weaker gt and she’s been taking it for 4 months now and not had one headache where before it was at least once a week.

Now that it’s being destigmatized and studied again I’m sure they’ll find out all kinds of amazing stuff.


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    #26706800 - 05/30/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I could. I may if it is late and the kids asleep and I have fresh pickings. Mostly when I'm harvesting which seems like 1 a week.


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    #26706927 - 05/30/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I micro dose fairly frequently. It has really help me with some stuff over the last year or so


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