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Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON
    #26696181 - 05/26/20 03:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8834832/

The second one is more related to my post and is merely for informative and experimental purposes. I am not making any claims about cinnamon, just saying it may be worth testing out...:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10658-019-01882-0

0.5% suspension = 5 gram of cinnamon in 1 liter luke warm (26 celsius) water.
That is 9.5 ml of cinnamon...
The springer study also relates a 1% cinnamon suspension, or 19 milliters cinnamon to 1 liter of water...


5 gram cinnamon = 9.5 ml  from
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5+gram+cinnamon+%3D+ml

worth a gander...
I will definitely try and test this a bit...
I wonder if it could be selective against higher vs lower fungi, or if someone with sterile lab with petri dishes to experiment for exact results? I for one, do not. Hence my search for alternatives to do a ghetto grow in a non-sterile environment using more natural procedures. This quest is now in its 14th year, with no success, haha.

It would be interesting to compare though, the effect on say a plate of trich and a plate of cube mycelium sprayed with a cinnamon solution.


But here is a more specific quote from the springer article about a 1% cinnamon filtrate on PDA in the lab:

Results and discussion
In the laboratory experiment, the potential of cinnamon water suspensions vs. cinnamon filtrates in reducing B. cinerea growth on PDA medium was evaluated. Three days after PDA inoculation the highest inhibition effect of mycelial growth was obtained while using 1% of cinnamon water suspensions and 1% of cinnamon filtrates, which reduced the fungus lesion by 64 and 47.8%, respectively (Table 1). Taking into account all the treatments (with water suspension and filtrate and the two concentrations – 0.5 and 1%), prolongation of the experiment from 3 to 6 days resulted in an average increase of the mycelium lesions diameter from 10.8 to 60.3 mm. In the same time the changes in the effectiveness of the two cinnamon formulations were observed. After 6 days the effect of cinnamon suspensions (both 0.5 and 1%) was very weak to none - in fact the statistical analysis proved no curative effect. The positive effect was found using cinnamon filtrates – 0.5% filtrate concentration decreased B. cinerea mycelium growth by 54.4% and 1% filtrate gave a lesions reduction by 81.4% (Table 1). In other words, the best inhibitory effect in an in vitro study was obtained while using 1% filtrate of cinnamon powder.


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26696191 - 05/26/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nice find. Interested to hear if this is worth playing with

I've used raw honey instead of dextrose in agar before. I had no dextrose and a friend said it could be a winner as it's anti-bacterial but it's also anti-fungal too. I had no success with that batch, it was like my second agar plate. I also used potato starch which was a bad move.


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: the_infinite_one]
    #26696198 - 05/26/20 03:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have a beer LC. maybe some beer dilute into agar? no agar for me, i can't even afford a petri dish ...


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26696420 - 05/26/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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no agar for me, i can't even afford a petri dish ...




You can use those tiny tupperware from the dollar store i think


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26696422 - 05/26/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Try no pours/pasty plates. Super super cheap. Syringes to LC is a bad route with minimal success. Try just inoculating some spawn with syringe instead of possibly wasting the spores with a potentially contaminated LC. Common practice for LC is to test it on agar before inoculating anything.


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26701451 - 05/28/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

can you plz send a pic of a no pour / pasty plate.
i live in South fking africa and while we have swiss chocolate some things like agar etc. and dollars stores are hard to find.


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26701527 - 05/28/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Do u have Asian stores in South Africa? If so, they carry agar agar (its made for desserts).

Also, dont use anti-fungal plant extracts. Remember, mushrooms are a fungus, u want them to grow not prevent them from growing.


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26702299 - 05/28/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm acquainted with agar but I can't reach the Asian store its a hell of a distance from here and public transport would be a nightmare.

yes I realise they're a fungi but I was hoping a certain ratio of some antifungal natural compound would kill other species but not cubes you know, I'm looking for the magic bullet i guess. I started looking for it in 2007-2008 tbh: HAHA I'm not even kidding, I did.
I've failed many many, MANY times... :wink:
I'm refining my search though and getting more info...
But my goal is alternative methods methodically this time though, not just ideas that are theoretically reactive...


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: PeterPumpkinEater] * 2
    #26702369 - 05/28/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I would look up the PF tek. Even without easy access to a lot of the common mush cult stuff you can definitely get a dozen wide mouth 1/2 pints, BRF, verm, and a spore syringe. Especially if this is something you've been interested in for years.

That way you will have plenty of mushrooms to print, giving you spores to mess around with to try to find some other ways.


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26703198 - 05/29/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I am well familiarized with all common methods here, I've been reading shroomery since 2006-2008... The problem is I have no money, I'm a postgraduate student and my bursary's not paid out yet... I can't afford to buy a damn thing.
I have two very thickly printed prints, 1 jar of colonized LC and another jar of spore water just laden with spores :smile:

I can't afford a few mason jars at this stage but have 100mb/s fiber optic. you know. the irony escapes me...


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26703911 - 05/29/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You could use brf paste in a jar instead of agar and Petris too.

Lol I feel you on the cash poor irony.


Is zef still a subculture in South Africa?


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: A.k.a]
    #26706761 - 05/30/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

zef was never really a specific subculture here.

To be honest, what he refers to ZEF... Die Antwoord made zef appear clean and pretty. But the original meaning of zef was to be poor and tasteless, white trash (kind of like 'trailer park trash' in usa), but there are other connotations: people who want to be cool but aren't and are too poor, have little taste and have little to no culture type of thing. Die Antwoord took ZEF out of context and made it into something pretty: they certainly put a good edge on it. But already by the time they were singing about zef, the term had been moving into the background of people's consciousness here actually, but its certainly part of the culture here.

A layer, embedded between other layers of a lack of class.
Its not as glamourous as they made it out to be, which is what makes their music related to it a rich parody, very artfully done.

The lead musician from Die Antwoord reinvented himself many times which I think ultimately is why he named himself Die Antwoord (the answer / solution to his invented musical identities). Clever guy. And yes, just low class white trash here are basically zef, like really you know its not people you really want anything to do with unless you're one of them, no offense.

He revived a dying word, in a sense (zef).


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26890007 - 08/20/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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zef was never really a specific subculture here.

To be honest, what he refers to ZEF... Die Antwoord made zef appear clean and pretty. But the original meaning of zef was to be poor and tasteless, white trash (kind of like 'trailer park trash' in usa), but there are other connotations: people who want to be cool but aren't and are too poor, have little taste and have little to no culture type of thing. Die Antwoord took ZEF out of context and made it into something pretty: they certainly put a good edge on it. But already by the time they were singing about zef, the term had been moving into the background of people's consciousness here actually, but its certainly part of the culture here.

A layer, embedded between other layers of a lack of class.
Its not as glamourous as they made it out to be, which is what makes their music related to it a rich parody, very artfully done.

The lead musician from Die Antwoord reinvented himself many times which I think ultimately is why he named himself Die Antwoord (the answer / solution to his invented musical identities). Clever guy. And yes, just low class white trash here are basically zef, like really you know its not people you really want anything to do with unless you're one of them, no offense.

He revived a dying word, in a sense (zef).




I think Zef comes from the word Zephyr as in the car. Most probably because it was the goto car for pimping back in the day.

The modern alternative word is Tappet. As in backyard wanabe mechanic pimp my ride , put opel wheel caps on a box shape BMW. Whilst wearing pajamas :-)

So yea Zef is not a culture is simply poor taste.

The Antwoord is un dissable because they diss them selves. Pretty clever :-)


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26890037 - 08/20/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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can you plz send a pic of a no pour / pasty plate.
i live in South fking africa and while we have swiss chocolate some things like agar etc. and dollars stores are hard to find.





You can get agar from Dischem, Health stores, Chekers 9where they sell the health stuff). Not exactly cheap. But a little goes a long way. Plenty online sellers I buy from [removed]
They sell anything Mycology related right to your door.

Yesterday I ordered some Lions Mane LC.

Also you dont need petrie dishes. I prefer using little tubs that have screw on lids. Pietries are not made from PP5 plastic so you cant put them in a PC. PP5 plastic tubs can be found at plenty stores all over the place. Plastic land,  Crazy Store (Read 1 dollar store), Westpack ect ect. Hell even Checkers, Picknpay, Spar, shoprite and OK will sell something usable.


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: SBSP]
    #26958384 - 09/28/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

dischem here i come!


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Re: Antifungal properties / use of CINNAMON [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26958509 - 09/28/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ive seen mold growing on damp cinnamon bark before fwiw


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