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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Kickle]
    #26702515 - 05/28/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps you would categorize yourself as a manager then?  No real ideals in mind but simply trying to manage an often unbecoming situation?  At any rate there is a lot there.  People have their personalities that are somewhat flexible but not much.  :shrug:


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26702613 - 05/28/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

something like that

but more so I think tying it to the OP it's how we approach what we learn. can we distinguish between our own understanding and that of others and moreover can we utilize the knowledge of others to aid in what we have as our own.

if a mathematician creates a new theorem and explains it to me, I'm unlikely to know what the heck they are talking about in any real meaningful way.

But if I'm the head of Google, I might find a way to get that same individual to apply their theorem in machine learning to further self driving cars, never needing to understand the specifics, only needing to understand the importance of new mathematical theorems in machine learning. Finding a way to understand how it fits into a larger goal without needing to take the hours of study to comprehend the ins and outs of how this individual came to this theorem and replicate it myself. 

Receiving the knowledge in a way but earning it also by providing a structure for it to become more.


Taking it away from politics and business:
What good is our knowledge if we do not apply it towards something? Whether we learn it first hand or from a book. Does it make any difference? It's the application that gets sticky IMO. That's why I think leadership is so key here. Knowledge goes where we lead.


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Kickle]
    #26702767 - 05/28/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

We should understand everyone has a purpose on Earth..

Anything you do and like doing.. BHAM destiny! Meaning/purpose..:smile:

As for leadership and leaders.. well we need them at least at this point in our evolution..

My final cue..? Someone has to do it.. at least these leaders have a vision..


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26702786 - 05/28/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Indeed, indeed :stoned:


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26703493 - 05/29/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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We should understand everyone has a purpose on Earth..

Anything you do and like doing.. BHAM destiny! Meaning/purpose..:smile:

As for leadership and leaders.. well we need them at least at this point in our evolution..

My final cue..? Someone has to do it.. at least these leaders have a vision..



I really disagree with these words ("purpose" "destiny") but not with the intent of an idea that accommodates people with different aptitudes willingly joining together to make the world a better place than if we just sat on our buts in a cave.


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26703658 - 05/29/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

yeah I also just came to understand that it's like the buttom line

like the gist of it

strange that it takes all the time to 28 to understand it


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26705951 - 05/29/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What I'm saying.. when you find your purpose.. whatever that be may.. you have a destiny..

It's as simple as either of these two things..

1: You enjoy doing something.

2: Your really good at something and can't avoid continuing said endeavor


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26706681 - 05/30/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think you are making excuses for using words that mean nothing.
that also can become a habit.


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26707073 - 05/30/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Drop destiny, but how does the word purpose mean nothing?


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #26707178 - 05/30/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

people don't have purpose, we are people, we live, we have the right to live without justifying ourselves.

tools have purpose,
products have purpose.

that's what I mean.


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26707193 - 05/30/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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people don't have purpose, we are people, we live, we have the right to live without justifying ourselves.

tools have purpose,
products have purpose.

that's what I mean.




That depends on your beliefs.  If you believe there is existence outside of the human experience and one chooses to incarnate here, there could be a purpose you wanted to accomplish.  Many believe this.


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #26707422 - 05/30/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

isn't every subject also an object. I think we objectify ourselves and others all the time, and therefore imbue ourselves and others with purpose. I think it's unavoidable. And I don't think it's a bad thing or a good thing per se. It depends on how we utilize ourselves and others.

What I don't relate to is the very common desire to be utilized by a cosmic master


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #26707525 - 05/30/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
people don't have purpose, we are people, we live, we have the right to live without justifying ourselves.

tools have purpose,
products have purpose.

that's what I mean.




That depends on your beliefs.  If you believe there is existence outside of the human experience and one chooses to incarnate here, there could be a purpose you wanted to accomplish.  Many believe this.



Oh, that stuff I call baggage, not purpose.
it's good to examine what you carry - less is more.


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26707590 - 05/30/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don't consider having a reason to be here carrying baggage, but to each their own.


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26707694 - 05/30/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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isn't every subject also an object. I think we objectify ourselves and others all the time, and therefore imbue ourselves and others with purpose. I think it's unavoidable. And I don't think it's a bad thing or a good thing per se. It depends on how we utilize ourselves and others.

What I don't relate to is the very common desire to be utilized by a cosmic master




Think it also depends on how one identities with things.  Some consider thoughts and passions and hunches to be themselves while others feel they receive it.

Further yet some who admit they receive things will state they receive them from a deeper aspect of themself but not conscious.


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26707746 - 05/30/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
people don't have purpose, we are people, we live, we have the right to live without justifying ourselves.

tools have purpose,
products have purpose.

that's what I mean.



Aren't we tools of evolution..?

Tools of the way(Tao)

Tools of God?


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Yellow Pants] * 1
    #26707886 - 05/30/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Apples in Mono said:
isn't every subject also an object. I think we objectify ourselves and others all the time, and therefore imbue ourselves and others with purpose. I think it's unavoidable. And I don't think it's a bad thing or a good thing per se. It depends on how we utilize ourselves and others.

What I don't relate to is the very common desire to be utilized by a cosmic master




Think it also depends on how one identities with things.  Some consider thoughts and passions and hunches to be themselves while others feel they receive it.

Further yet some who admit they receive things will state they receive them from a deeper aspect of themself but not conscious.




It's definitely tough to pin down a solid definition of "self" or a criteria for "personhood", and to the extent we can, there's plenty of disagreement. But whatever it is you consider a person to be, once you've defined one, I think you've objectified them and can potentially utilize them. And I think that can be a wonderful thing


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26707902 - 05/30/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Self means motives..


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #26707905 - 05/30/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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BrendanFlock said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
people don't have purpose, we are people, we live, we have the right to live without justifying ourselves.

tools have purpose,
products have purpose.

that's what I mean.



Aren't we tools of evolution..?

Tools of the way(Tao)

Tools of God?




I hope we aren't tools of a god. It does seem to be a possibility, but fortunately, I see no reason to to be convinced of it.

However, I don't think it makes sense to call us tools of evolution- not in anything but a loose, metaphorical sense. But I think the sort of tool we've been speaking of is something utilized with intent. And I don't think evolution has intentions


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Re: The tension between "earned" and "received" knowledge [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26707910 - 05/30/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Self means motives..




It means motives to YOU. Whatever "you" are:wink:

I think you are a strange loop


Edited by Apples in Mono (05/30/20 08:51 PM)


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