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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
    #26709209 - 05/31/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’ve got a giant stone looking mass growing on a tropicalis cake right now I’ll post pictures later. Cinctulus also produces blue stone looking masses as well especially on agar.


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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix] * 1
    #26805328 - 07/05/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Perhaps too much nitrogen? Isn't there some  White mushroom that grows When that happens




I never vary the fruiting substrate.  I have the best mix I know, and it outperforms anything I've tried over the years.  And, no, it's not nitrogen-hot.  That's an amateur mistake where people swear by these overly-complex formulations which are always too rich.  I've seen substrates so complex that they look like some witch's brew.  Mine is almost entirely manure and vermiculite with a very small amount of wild birdseed.




Wow, just as I got done saying this a grower on Shroomery has challenged this view.  He is using a substrate mix that is 50% cooked/rinsed rye and 50% a 3:2 per volume mix of chopped straw and horse manure.  I never would have thought something like that would work given how nitrogen-rich it is, but using that substrate he claims to have achieved 100% biological efficiency (BE) over 3 flushes with a Jamaican pan cyan strain.  In comparison, my top BE with pan cyans, was about 70% over 5 flushes so far.  Needless to say, I'm trying to duplicate his amazing result, but if you really can grow pan cyans on a substrate that rich, it'll change the yield game for sure.  Richer substrates have the potential to outperform more conventional ones in terms of BE, but usually, they are not great for this species.  If I can duplicate his success, I'll let everyone know!

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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
    #26805471 - 07/05/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If that works, my bet is it's going to be a genetic thing. I think everyone who
grows cyans has tried and failed to use large ratios...at least once. I have
never been able to make it work for me. Would love to be wrong about this.

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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Asura]
    #26805580 - 07/05/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If that works, my bet is it's going to be a genetic thing. I think everyone who
grows cyans has tried and failed to use large ratios...at least once. I have
never been able to make it work for me. Would love to be wrong about this.




The only explanation I could muster is that maybe the high straw content brought down the nitrogen content low enough and the increased air exchange high enough to allow it to work.  I'm going to try the same culture growing on both my normal substrate and this grain-rich one.  If there is no advantage to the grain, then I see no reason to waste money on a substrate like that.  If there truly is a 30 to 40% improvement on BE--or even close to it--I'll let everyone know.  I don't doubt he's done it, but I've heard of so many "magical substrates" over the years that failed to deliver for me personally that I'm skeptical.  At least this one is very simple.

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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
    #26805584 - 07/05/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I’m in the happened to get a culture that likes that mixture perfect storm type of deal.

It would be nice to increase yields like that though, hopefully it works out.


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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: A.k.a]
    #26806182 - 07/06/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Keep doing the lords work Helix and Asura :bow2:


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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: A.k.a]
    #28510242 - 10/19/23 05:48 AM (6 months, 26 days ago)

I know this thread is a bit old and Blue has passed :frown:, may he rest in peace. I just thought I'd add that I have similar on a T2 plate from a BVI wild print, so stones are probably possible across a wide range of genetics.



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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: KuroKitsune]
    #28516083 - 10/24/23 01:05 AM (6 months, 21 days ago)

Does anyone know how to replace manure for substrate? What's the line-up?

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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: KuroKitsune]
    #28518394 - 10/26/23 12:31 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Blue passed away? he gave me my first cyan print many years ago rip

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