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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Asura] 1
#26695826 - 05/25/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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LOL Yes, it would! It might even violate some fundamental laws of physics... lol 32g dried is about right for a good flush in a 13"x9" tray. I'd be happy enough with it at least. 40g dried is more like the best-case scenario. And that 60g per tray number was a freak show that I've only has happened for me a couple of times, mostly because trays tend to go south before the 4th or 5th flush for me.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Asura]
#26695828 - 05/25/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Asura said: LOL grams! Not oz. That would be a sight to see.
thenagual, I have really hard water as well, but I run it all through a carbon filter...and I've been OCD about changing out all the water every 4-5 days now.
LOL Yes, it would! It might even violate some fundamental laws of physics... lol 32g dried is about right for a good flush in a 13"x9" tray. I'd be happy enough with it at least. 40g dried is more like the best-case scenario. And that 60g per tray number was a freak show that I've only has happened for me a couple of times, mostly because trays tend to go south before the 4th or 5th flush for me.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: thenagual]
#26695832 - 05/25/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh yea.
Asuras grows and set ups are sick . I’ve seen them. I’ve added his bag method to my repertoire - I’m doing 7.5 ph on my casings 50/50 mix using lime .
I might try the fulvic acid in the future as per Jake -
Are you guys doing LC mostly for these pans ?
I just had to dump mine but I ran agar along side with lc and results were the same for my environment / strategy .
I’ve gotten kinda lazy though after starting LC - it’s like I’m afraid of my SAB now , like I knocked up bags last night while making a turkey sandwhich .
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: thenagual]
#26695861 - 05/25/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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thenagual said: Oh yea.
Asuras grows and set ups are sick . I’ve seen them. I’ve added his bag method to my repertoire - I’m doing 7.5 ph on my casings 50/50 mix using lime .
I might try the fulvic acid in the future as per Jake -
Are you guys doing LC mostly for these pans ?
I just had to dump mine but I ran agar along side with lc and results were the same for my environment / strategy .
I’ve gotten kinda lazy though after starting LC - it’s like I’m afraid of my SAB now , like I knocked up bags last night while making a turkey sandwhich .
I'll let Asura speak for himself. As for me, I do LCs almost entirely. I only use agar really to prove to myself that a print is reasonably clean or test a suspicious LC out. The LCs are stored in vacutainers (little test tubes with a stopper) in cold storage, and then when I want to expand one out, I'll draw a ml or so from the test tube (through the silicon spetum). In other words, once things are going for me, I don't use agar or my SAB usually, except in special circumstances.
My substrate is contained in spawn bags. I got these huge ones that can hold 5 to 10 pounds of manure-based substrate pretty comfortably (although for the 10-pound bags you have to be careful to not overpack the pressure cooker I found out). Given a tray takes about 2.5lbs, a single bag can hold enough for 4 trays, although I'm splitting the substrate into two bags now just to more loosely load the cooker. I'll run cooking for about 4.5 hours. Before I cook those bags I put a piece of gaffers tape (cloth tape) on them as my injection point, and I inject through it with 140ml of LC through a 12-gauge needle, sealing the hole off with hot glue.
I think if you search my old posts, I detail my process several times. It hasn't really changed much over the years.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
#26695871 - 05/25/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm trying all kinds of different ways now. Spawning to sterile bulk, about to do a bunch of trays with pasteurized bulk...but I am going start back up on the LC again. I have a perfect Aussie culture started from an old print and I need to fruit it for clones.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Asura]
#26695919 - 05/25/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice .
Yea I’m trying something else this round too .
I shredded my straw much finer - used a blender , and I left out the bleach and soap this round. Want to see if it’s worth it or not . I’m just getting into straw and haven’t had good luck except with the pans .
I had good results using your bag recipe - sterilizing it all mixed . I didn’t make it all the way through with pans , I did have some really good results with cubensis .
They were the large spawn bags , probably 6-7 full qts total in each .I just cut the tops of the bags off the bags and threw them in the fc, pulled around 1.75 oz dry of South Africans - real easy / no clean up and it felt like skipping a stage .
Blue helix ;
I’ll have to give that vacutainer LC storage a shot . I’ve had pretty good results storing cubensis lc at room temp for now , some of mine are 3 months old and going strong . I like the idea of having a master LC in cold storage for making more LC . LC to Lc has been nice but I seem to weaken my genetics by The third transfer.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: thenagual]
#26696022 - 05/26/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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thenagual said: Nice .
Yea I’m trying something else this round too .
I shredded my straw much finer - used a blender , and I left out the bleach and soap this round. Want to see if it’s worth it or not . I’m just getting into straw and haven’t had good luck except with the pans .
I had good results using your bag recipe - sterilizing it all mixed . I didn’t make it all the way through with pans , I did have some really good results with cubensis .
They were the large spawn bags , probably 6-7 full qts total in each .I just cut the tops of the bags off the bags and threw them in the fc, pulled around 1.75 oz dry of South Africans - real easy / no clean up and it felt like skipping a stage .
Blue helix ;
I’ll have to give that vacutainer LC storage a shot . I’ve had pretty good results storing cubensis lc at room temp for now , some of mine are 3 months old and going strong . I like the idea of having a master LC in cold storage for making more LC . LC to Lc has been nice but I seem to weaken my genetics by The third transfer.
The vacutainers you want are VACUTAINER BD 366430. The number at the end denotes 10ml, glass, without any chemical additives. They'll cost about $20 to $30 for 100 of them if expired (I paid $23 delivered I believe). Here's what I found on eBay, but I've found them cheaper than this before.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VACUTAINER-BD-366430-BLOOD-DRAW-TUBES-10ML-DRAW-16X100MM-EXP-2000-ITEM-G-304/202791710462
PS - I've noticed that eBay resellers are now selling them in less-than-100 quantities. I'm not sure that is even legal since the manufacturer (BD) doesn't produce them in quantities less than 100. In other words, they are not selling a product meant to be sold any more than if I started to sell individual M&Ms or something like that. Read the auction carefully.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
#26696771 - 05/26/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to say Hi Blue it's very nice to see you around After reading through your grow logs so many times 
Ohh and also...
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Puduwoke]
#26697156 - 05/26/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Puduwoke said: Sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to say Hi Blue it's very nice to see you around After reading through your grow logs so many times 
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Hi, Puduwoke. Hey, I'm always lurking, but I think I'll have a new grow log soon to share. I have some kind of pan cyan or maybe pan cambo--the fruiting body size makes it hard to know since these are very large by pan cyan standards--that jcm4620 has taken time to isolate prints of exceptional phenotypes and given to me. I'm at 48 hours after inoculation on standard MEA and already I can see germination! Well, obviously, something that explodes on agar that fast that isn't just molds perks my interest! I'm looking to try to set a grow yield record if I can since I haven't really dealt with many highly domesticated pan cyans, so keep your eye out for it!
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
#26697234 - 05/26/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok after seeing thenagual's picture of the bottom of a tray I've definitely seen that. On trays of Pan cyan alabama, which pinned within a normal timeframe after casing (4-5 days). I remember thinking it looked like tampanensis on rgs right before sclerotia forms. It didn't seem to have an effect at least in that case.
I also saw it on a few trays and cakes of Pan tropicalis, which was a total failure. Only had a couple pins after 2 weeks and they never developed. They were actually grown alongside the Pan cyan alabamas. Color of the blobs never changed for the 2 weeks or so that I had them. So I don't know if it's connected in anyway or just coincidence. I'll see if have it again.
Also you mentioned LC with smaller but dense blobs? I had some lc recently where the mycelium formed tiny dense nuggets that would sink very quickly after turning off the stirrer. The best way I can describe them is like grated parmesan cheese.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Hans Wermhat]
#26697377 - 05/26/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hans Wermhat said: Ok after seeing thenagual's picture of the bottom of a tray I've definitely seen that. On trays of Pan cyan alabama, which pinned within a normal timeframe after casing (4-5 days). I remember thinking it looked like tampanensis on rgs right before sclerotia forms. It didn't seem to have an effect at least in that case.
I also saw it on a few trays and cakes of Pan tropicalis, which was a total failure. Only had a couple pins after 2 weeks and they never developed. They were actually grown alongside the Pan cyan alabamas. Color of the blobs never changed for the 2 weeks or so that I had them. So I don't know if it's connected in anyway or just coincidence. I'll see if have it again.
Also you mentioned LC with smaller but dense blobs? I had some lc recently where the mycelium formed tiny dense nuggets that would sink very quickly after turning off the stirrer. The best way I can describe them is like grated parmesan cheese.
It's not like I've not had successful trays with some kind of white blobs inside the substrate, but these blobs seem much harder and there are more of them. Here's an example of absolutely classic casing run from some spores that were sent to me from a collection site near the Mekong River (thanks to _OttO_ which I seldom see around anymore). Let's consider these pictures (the very rightmost picture is like the third flush of five, by the way, if I recall):
 
Here is what I see: first, the casing colonization of this random wild Mekong River strain was NOT CAPABLE of being overlaid because the mycelium that takes on the casing is simply too whispy. This is how all pan cyan strains I'd ever encountered as of four or five years ago worked, and I'd dealt with at least five. I used to assume overlay was impossible with pan cyans. Wow, that's changed! Secondly, yes, there are blobs in the tray--I see that now--but notice how their edges seem to reconnect well with the mycelium bulk in general. There isn't a hard division between the two.
It's almost like these two (overlay and blobs) might actually be kind of the same problem. These genetic lines are pushing way too much metabolic energy into hard issues both throughout the casing and inside the substrate. That's expensive, and that energy is sapped from the development of pins and mushrooms where such hard tissue is appropriate. I'd consider this a genetic flaw at this point. I'd not spread prints from fruiting bodies of trays showing these traits nor bother with them on agar.
We need to stop spreading this stuff. Pan cyans are domesticating in a way that has LESS potential than some wild strain from around the Mekong River! I got 60% BE from FIVE flushes off that random Mekong River strain from _OttO_ while I can't even get these Jamaicans floating around to even pin! What the hell is going on?! Go try a wild strain of corn and you might get a meal off the plant. Go try a domesticated strain of corn and you might get several days worth of corn for an entire family off a plant! That's the way it's supposed to work! Maybe spore vendors just need to recollect some random wild prints at this point because this pan cyan domestication isn't working out.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
#26697458 - 05/26/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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That sounds awesome, cant wait to read that log about 10 times haha
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
#26697632 - 05/26/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hans Wermhat said: Ok after seeing thenagual's picture of the bottom of a tray I've definitely seen that. On trays of Pan cyan alabama, which pinned within a normal timeframe after casing (4-5 days). I remember thinking it looked like tampanensis on rgs right before sclerotia forms. It didn't seem to have an effect at least in that case.
I also saw it on a few trays and cakes of Pan tropicalis, which was a total failure. Only had a couple pins after 2 weeks and they never developed. They were actually grown alongside the Pan cyan alabamas. Color of the blobs never changed for the 2 weeks or so that I had them. So I don't know if it's connected in anyway or just coincidence. I'll see if have it again.
Also you mentioned LC with smaller but dense blobs? I had some lc recently where the mycelium formed tiny dense nuggets that would sink very quickly after turning off the stirrer. The best way I can describe them is like grated parmesan cheese.
Here is what I see: first, the casing colonization of this random wild Mekong River strain was NOT CAPABLE of being overlaid because the mycelium that takes on the casing is simply too whispy. This is how all pan cyan strains I'd ever encountered as of four or five years ago worked, and I'd dealt with at least five. I used to assume overlay was impossible with pan cyans. Wow, that's changed! Secondly, yes, there are blobs in the tray--I see that now--but notice how their edges seem to reconnect well with the mycelium bulk in general. There isn't a hard division between the two.
Ah, when you put it that way, can't say I've had the same blobs talking about in the first post. The dense spots I've seen were well integrated with the rest of the mycelium. So far I've grown Pan cyan Alabama, Australia, and Wild Coast. Is this mainly problem with the Jamaica?
It's weird that genes that result in worse pinset/yield have been propagated and spread. It doesn't make sense. I can think of a few possibilities for why/how this happened but I have no idea what I'm talking about so take with a grain of salt. First, maybe there's some kind of benefit provided by the overlay genes that make this phenotype better under a very specific set of conditions. For example, maybe this genotype performs better when grown under lower temperatures, and whoever grew and propagated this strain always grew at lower temperatures. Or maybe the spawn has greater longevity on the shelf and whoever grew them always procrastinated spawning to bulk, so that this genotype was more likely to survive into the bulk sub phase.
Second possibility is it was simply a mistake and on agar they selected for the thick cottony growth instead of the wispy stuff, mistaking the thick stuff for "stronger" mycelium. I read that in the past people were reluctant to shake their jars, maybe the thick stuff was selected on agar in the mistaken belief that it would withstand the shake better. Third possibility, how sure are we that the Jamaicans are really a pan cyan. I've heard that Pan cyan Australia is actually Pan tropicalis Australia. Maybe the Jamaican Pans that have been going around recent times is another species? Don't know how realistic this is but just a thought I had
edit: forgot to ask, does the spawn ratio affect how likely this is to overlay?
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Hans Wermhat]
#26698200 - 05/26/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hans Wermhat said: Ok after seeing thenagual's picture of the bottom of a tray I've definitely seen that. On trays of Pan cyan alabama, which pinned within a normal timeframe after casing (4-5 days). I remember thinking it looked like tampanensis on rgs right before sclerotia forms. It didn't seem to have an effect at least in that case.
I also saw it on a few trays and cakes of Pan tropicalis, which was a total failure. Only had a couple pins after 2 weeks and they never developed. They were actually grown alongside the Pan cyan alabamas. Color of the blobs never changed for the 2 weeks or so that I had them. So I don't know if it's connected in anyway or just coincidence. I'll see if have it again.
Also you mentioned LC with smaller but dense blobs? I had some lc recently where the mycelium formed tiny dense nuggets that would sink very quickly after turning off the stirrer. The best way I can describe them is like grated parmesan cheese.
Here is what I see: first, the casing colonization of this random wild Mekong River strain was NOT CAPABLE of being overlaid because the mycelium that takes on the casing is simply too whispy. This is how all pan cyan strains I'd ever encountered as of four or five years ago worked, and I'd dealt with at least five. I used to assume overlay was impossible with pan cyans. Wow, that's changed! Secondly, yes, there are blobs in the tray--I see that now--but notice how their edges seem to reconnect well with the mycelium bulk in general. There isn't a hard division between the two.
Ah, when you put it that way, can't say I've had the same blobs talking about in the first post. The dense spots I've seen were well integrated with the rest of the mycelium. So far I've grown Pan cyan Alabama, Australia, and Wild Coast. Is this mainly problem with the Jamaica?
It's weird that genes that result in worse pinset/yield have been propagated and spread. It doesn't make sense. I can think of a few possibilities for why/how this happened but I have no idea what I'm talking about so take with a grain of salt. First, maybe there's some kind of benefit provided by the overlay genes that make this phenotype better under a very specific set of conditions. For example, maybe this genotype performs better when grown under lower temperatures, and whoever grew and propagated this strain always grew at lower temperatures. Or maybe the spawn has greater longevity on the shelf and whoever grew them always procrastinated spawning to bulk, so that this genotype was more likely to survive into the bulk sub phase.
Second possibility is it was simply a mistake and on agar they selected for the thick cottony growth instead of the wispy stuff, mistaking the thick stuff for "stronger" mycelium. I read that in the past people were reluctant to shake their jars, maybe the thick stuff was selected on agar in the mistaken belief that it would withstand the shake better. Third possibility, how sure are we that the Jamaicans are really a pan cyan. I've heard that Pan cyan Australia is actually Pan tropicalis Australia. Maybe the Jamaican Pans that have been going around recent times is another species? Don't know how realistic this is but just a thought I had
edit: forgot to ask, does the spawn ratio affect how likely this is to overlay?
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Hans Wermhat said: Ok after seeing thenagual's picture of the bottom of a tray I've definitely seen that. On trays of Pan cyan alabama, which pinned within a normal timeframe after casing (4-5 days). I remember thinking it looked like tampanensis on rgs right before sclerotia forms. It didn't seem to have an effect at least in that case.
I also saw it on a few trays and cakes of Pan tropicalis, which was a total failure. Only had a couple pins after 2 weeks and they never developed. They were actually grown alongside the Pan cyan alabamas. Color of the blobs never changed for the 2 weeks or so that I had them. So I don't know if it's connected in anyway or just coincidence. I'll see if have it again.
Also you mentioned LC with smaller but dense blobs? I had some lc recently where the mycelium formed tiny dense nuggets that would sink very quickly after turning off the stirrer. The best way I can describe them is like grated parmesan cheese.
Here is what I see: first, the casing colonization of this random wild Mekong River strain was NOT CAPABLE of being overlaid because the mycelium that takes on the casing is simply too whispy. This is how all pan cyan strains I'd ever encountered as of four or five years ago worked, and I'd dealt with at least five. I used to assume overlay was impossible with pan cyans. Wow, that's changed! Secondly, yes, there are blobs in the tray--I see that now--but notice how their edges seem to reconnect well with the mycelium bulk in general. There isn't a hard division between the two.
Ah, when you put it that way, can't say I've had the same blobs talking about in the first post. The dense spots I've seen were well integrated with the rest of the mycelium. So far I've grown Pan cyan Alabama, Australia, and Wild Coast. Is this mainly problem with the Jamaica?
It's weird that genes that result in worse pinset/yield have been propagated and spread. It doesn't make sense. I can think of a few possibilities for why/how this happened but I have no idea what I'm talking about so take with a grain of salt. First, maybe there's some kind of benefit provided by the overlay genes that make this phenotype better under a very specific set of conditions. For example, maybe this genotype performs better when grown under lower temperatures, and whoever grew and propagated this strain always grew at lower temperatures. Or maybe the spawn has greater longevity on the shelf and whoever grew them always procrastinated spawning to bulk, so that this genotype was more likely to survive into the bulk sub phase.
Second possibility is it was simply a mistake and on agar they selected for the thick cottony growth instead of the wispy stuff, mistaking the thick stuff for "stronger" mycelium. I read that in the past people were reluctant to shake their jars, maybe the thick stuff was selected on agar in the mistaken belief that it would withstand the shake better. Third possibility, how sure are we that the Jamaicans are really a pan cyan. I've heard that Pan cyan Australia is actually Pan tropicalis Australia. Maybe the Jamaican Pans that have been going around recent times is another species? Don't know how realistic this is but just a thought I had
edit: forgot to ask, does the spawn ratio affect how likely this is to overlay?
Does the spawn ratio affect how likely this is to overlay? I can't answer that, friend. I don't spawn my bulk subs. I squirt the bulk substrate with LC. I'm sure there are those doing spawn, though. Ask them.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
#26698444 - 05/27/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Blue helix;
For notes -
I’ve only had success so far by spawning my pan cyans . Last run I did 1:1 , This run is 1:3 .
So far both grows look identical , they both have the blobs . I just put the new batch in the fc tonight and plan to run identical fruiting specs for the environment .
I’ll post back and let you guys know if anything is different .
It’s funny you mentioned that the domesticated pan cyans going around are shit.
I tried 2 times with prints friom well known vendors - once more with a Jamaican print from a trade - could’ve been lack of experience , maybe genetics .
The first two times - I ended up getting pink and yellow contaminates(lip stick mold) - I’ve never encountered these in my entire time growing mushrooms .
I then acquired a Florida print , undomesticated .
The last two runs , where I got fruits - were from that wild print .
It’s really a shame if it’s bad prints/ crap genetics floating around . This isn’t the first time I’ve heard this either
The wild prints seem more viral from what you’d wrote and what I’ve experienced this far .
With more work do they become better- stay viral ? Or is it a possibility that they lose their good traits once domesticated ?
There need to be a dedicated pan cyan sub section !!!
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Hans Wermhat]
#26698897 - 05/27/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's weird that genes that result in worse pinset/yield have been propagated and spread. It doesn't make sense. I can think of a few possibilities for why/how this happened but I have no idea what I'm talking about so take with a grain of salt. First, maybe there's some kind of benefit provided by the overlay genes that make this phenotype better under a very specific set of conditions. For example, maybe this genotype performs better when grown under lower temperatures, and whoever grew and propagated this strain always grew at lower temperatures. Or maybe the spawn has greater longevity on the shelf and whoever grew them always procrastinated spawning to bulk, so that this genotype was more likely to survive into the bulk sub phase.
Second possibility is it was simply a mistake and on agar they selected for the thick cottony growth instead of the wispy stuff, mistaking the thick stuff for "stronger" mycelium. I read that in the past people were reluctant to shake their jars, maybe the thick stuff was selected on agar in the mistaken belief that it would withstand the shake better. Third possibility, how sure are we that the Jamaicans are really a pan cyan. I've heard that Pan cyan Australia is actually Pan tropicalis Australia. Maybe the Jamaican Pans that have been going around recent times is another species? Don't know how realistic this is but just a thought I had
edit: forgot to ask, does the spawn ratio affect how likely this is to overlay?
I hadn't considered that maybe what I'm seeing is that some of these pans are being selected to grow in non-native conditions. That's definitely possible. In the past, I've not really messed around with the conditions. The trays are kept at 78F +/- 1F at all times (perhaps 1F lower at night and 1F higher during the day). I don't mess with the temperature or humidity, and for a tropical strain, I'd expect I provide about what they might experience in nature in the best of times. If people have been breeding for better growth at normal room temperature (say 73F), then I had no idea about it. I don't know what is going on really. I just know that things were fine (for me) and now I'm seeing some odd stuff happening.
One might naturally wonder what happened to my wild spore collections. Well, let's just say there was a scare and I decided it was wise to eliminate them. No, there wasn't some big bust--nor would I think there should be one given I don't know anyone--but I felt the potential existed due to a particular person I met at Burning Man who seemed to have some serious problems. That was unfortunate and, given I'm normally a hermit basically who hardly noticed the difference between pre-COVID days and now, it was unusual. I wish I had kept those prints, though. If I had I'd be spreading them. As it stands, I have some nice prints to investigate now thanks to Asura and jcm4620, but it takes time to test them.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
#26698930 - 05/27/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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One of these pan threads said lower spawn ratios do better.
The one in my signature is small, it’s a half gallon of milk but there’s maybe a tablespoon and a half of wbs in it.
I was really surprised, it’s gotta be cuz they eat the manure so the grain isn’t the only food source.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: One of these pan threads said lower spawn ratios do better.
The one in my signature is small, it’s a half gallon of milk but there’s maybe a tablespoon and a half of wbs in it.
I was really surprised, it’s gotta be cuz they eat the manure so the grain isn’t the only food source.
No. Using this method of spawning should not matter. I don't care what method someone uses. The fact is that this should not happen.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: Blue Helix]
#26699067 - 05/27/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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For sure, I’m just saying in general for whoever asked one of the instructional threads said less spawn than cubes does better.
Next time an lc produces some of these some should be put to grain and plates to see if there’s anyway to ID it early on.
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Re: Strange white masses in pan cyan substrate [Re: A.k.a]
#26699158 - 05/27/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I use spawn ratio of 1:4. Following Jake's advice if I remember correctly.
Also I'm looking forward to see the grow log Blue
Learnt a lot from you and most of all a lot of inspiration to learn to grow Pans!
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