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Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC?
    #26695182 - 05/25/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey!

Just wondering if this coco coir would work to use it for Mateah's HC tek or if it has to be the kind that comes in bricks. This one is supposed to be free of pathogens and prevent molds.

https://assets.leroymerlin.es/is/image/lmes/16239643-0100-1/fibra-coco-5l-masso.png

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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26695200 - 05/25/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If it says it prevents molds, it might be noced up with trich.


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: poisoned]
    #26695286 - 05/25/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If it says it prevents molds, it might be noced up with trich.




Ok, good to know that something that's supposed to prevent mold creates other molds lol

I'll get this one instead:
https://tiendaanimalia.es/2067-large_default/exo-terra-plantation-trail-coco-650g.jpg

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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26695343 - 05/25/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I tried uncompacted coir one time, it worked ok but was very fibrous and hydrated very differently than the bricks and I came out with very overhydrated substrate


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26695990 - 05/26/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Trich is good for plants because it attacks molds.


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: poisoned]
    #26696204 - 05/26/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I tried uncompacted coir one time, it worked ok but was very fibrous and hydrated very differently than the bricks and I came out with very overhydrated substrate




Thanks for sharing. I will take the compacted coir then!

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Trich is good for plants because it attacks molds.




Nice, that's interesting to know. I will take the kind that is used for reptile terrarium. Hope that doesn't contain trich lol


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: poisoned]
    #26696353 - 05/26/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Trich is good for plants because it attacks molds.




It attacks fungi aswell. Just found a little spot hiding along in my Tasmanian tub. Bummer cause it was looking like a good pinset too.


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26696416 - 05/26/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Everything I’ve read is that bagged coir is usually always treated with anti fun gals. Probably works aight but you’d be better off going with bricks just for consistency’s sake. I’m pretty sure 3 bricks is cheaper than the bags and contains way more coir anyways.

Edit: just realized you’re using it for the HC tek. If you have some separation between the coir and the cakes it’ll work as it should. Although I will say just use perlite :shrug: cheaper and easier to find.


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26696505 - 05/26/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Everything I’ve read is that bagged coir is usually always treated with anti fun gals. Probably works aight but you’d be better off going with bricks just for consistency’s sake. I’m pretty sure 3 bricks is cheaper than the bags and contains way more coir anyways.

Edit: just realized you’re using it for the HC tek. If you have some separation between the coir and the cakes it’ll work as it should. Although I will say just use perlite :shrug: cheaper and easier to find.




I ended up buying 3 bricks from a big supermarket. Don't know if that one may contain trich, but I guess since I'm only using it to retain humidity in the chamber and it won't be in contact with the substrate it won't be a problem.

At least now I have 2x10l tubs (they aren't very deep so I had to get two in case I need to dubtub) and a lot of coco coir that I can use to try the shoebox tek next time.

Initially I was considering spawning the kits I have right now to bulk, but I think it was poisoned who suggested not doing that because the mycelium would be weaker on the second flush of the kits. So, for now I will just put them in the HC for their second flush.


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26696794 - 05/26/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mycelium being weaker on the second flush... what does that mean? What are you trying to get out of already spent mycelium? I mean pretty much all substrates will flush more than once given enough water but like... you already got out of them what you wanted? How does stronger mycelium after a flush benefit you? Second flushes won’t ever be the same as a first flush?


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26696827 - 05/26/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Mycelium being weaker on the second flush... what does that mean? What are you trying to get out of already spent mycelium? I mean pretty much all substrates will flush more than once given enough water but like... you already got out of them what you wanted? How does stronger mycelium after a flush benefit you? Second flushes won’t ever be the same as a first flush?




What I mean is that I was considering mixing the colonized substrate from the grow kit with coco coir and make a shoebox, but I was told that's not a good idea after the first flush, because the mycelium will be weaker.

Currently I'm only getting really skinny mushrooms, don't know why. Here's a picture. The one on the right side looks less thin, but it's actually the thinnest one, it just has fuzzy feet lol.


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26697465 - 05/26/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So your kit has already flushed? If so then no you shouldnt recase/spawn again. You didn’t make that clear in the first post.

If that is the case however, you’re going to get diminishing returns on trying to put it in a sgfc ( same thing as hc) and trying to get more fruits. It’s spent man.


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26698980 - 05/27/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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So your kit has already flushed? If so then no you shouldnt recase/spawn again. You didn’t make that clear in the first post.

If that is the case however, you’re going to get diminishing returns on trying to put it in a sgfc ( same thing as hc) and trying to get more fruits. It’s spent man.




It's currently on it's first flush (which btw is being really strange with not many mushrooms and they're pretty thin). I had to harvest one today, because it had opened it's veil.



The idea of putting it in a HC is to give the side pins more room to grow and as an attempt to give better fruiting conditions.

You mean it only flushes once? That's not my experience with these kits. The substrate didn't even shrink too much yet.


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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26699329 - 05/27/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Kits are hit or miss my man. If you want consistent results, or want advice from this forum, you’ll need to do a little more work. Those kits are garbage.

That said, if your kits are only putting out little baby fruits like that, it’s likely that your surface conditions were off. I’ve gained a ridiculous amount of knowledge from watching wil mushrooms grow. They get a good rain, a little heat, and they pop up like no ones business. Replicate solid conditions indoors, IE: moisture, evaporation, and temperature, and any kit or homemade spawn will produce results. Point being, something went wrong while nurturing that tub.

Try making your own spawn and substrate. It’s cheaper and easier than you think.

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Re: Would this coco coir work for Mateah's HC? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26699382 - 05/27/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Could be that they weren't nurtured well, but I kept a close eye on them and just misted/introduced more FAE when they seemed to need it.

It's true that I haven't misted in like a week but I don't think they needed it, because everything looked moist enough, with small droplets and even fuzzy feet (which is why I increased FAE, although it doesn't seem to get rid of the fuzzy feet).

I think it's probably a sum of factors:
- not too well prepared kit or maybe stood too long in the shop, took long to arrive, etc.

- maybe introducing FAE too early

- maybe not so good genetics

As I said, my initial idea was to do it myself but the supplies were hard to get and expensive with the lockdown. It's getting a bit easier though so I may do some prints if I get decent fruits and follow the shoebox tek.


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