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shoe box via BRF lol.
#26695093 - 05/25/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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yo guys. So I know BRF to spawn is frowned upon however I had quite a few and this is all for learning so I don't really wanna get lectured just want some advice I know its not a great rate of success. I spawned 3 cakes to my coir/verm mix from Midwest that I had left over since I tried a stupid grain inoc via MS. Any way is this shoe box to wet its only day one after I mixed it but its getting warm below so I think the myc is pretty happy but is this too much condensation and shoe I crack the lid for a bit? 
Also I only have two jars that spawned my pt. still have 7 spawned gt on brf cakes gonna birth or maybe shred depending on how this box goes.
Can I just throw this one cake in like a Tupperware on perlite and get a lil shrroms from it has started to pin and I cant help but wanna birth it.

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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: TrippyMomp] 1
#26695101 - 05/25/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah he'll you can fruit it straight from the jar. Just open the lid and shake off the dry verm and you can even add a coir verm layer if you already have it made. Put it in a plastic bag with some wet perilite and the top open and boom.
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: Sockadin]
#26695120 - 05/25/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also field test before got about 3 drops maybe of liquid
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#26695134 - 05/25/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’ve been spawning my brf cakes to shoeboxes as that was the logical next step for me (cant do agar work yet and wanted to move on from fruiting cakes).
I enjoy it plus it’s a great way to learn things like proper surface conditions.
What works for me:
I keep the lid on until 75-100% colonization of coir. Please note, I only use coir since the cakes already have verm in them. I add no additional verm to my substrate so I’m not sure if that makes a difference.
At 75% (or more) I crack the lid open a little to give them air. I wait to mist but if you’re in a dryer area you mat need to mist earlier, just keep an eye on your surface. If they’re drying out I crack the lid less and if the are too wet, I crack it more.
Note: I’m no pro so wait for someone with greater experience. I’ve been doing brf to bulk for my last few grows and have had success. My APEs are doing well coming from cakes to bulk. It’s not the greatest yield but I’m learning a lot for when I move to oats and agar
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: Sockadin]
#26695167 - 05/25/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Yeah he'll you can fruit it straight from the jar. Just open the lid and shake off the dry verm and you can even add a coir verm layer if you already have it made. Put it in a plastic bag with some wet perilite and the top open and boom.
so if im getting this right basically I fill 10 gall Ziploc 1/4 full of perlite water it. then take verm layer off and put new sub on top leave in jar and let fruit in bag partially open? I live in a desert so its about 24 % humidity rn. do you think birthing it and giving it more surface are in a small tuper ware filled with perilite maybe even dunk n roll ? would give abetter yield from more surface are exposed ? thanks for the input
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Socrateshroom said: I’ve been spawning my brf cakes to shoeboxes as that was the logical next step for me (cant do agar work yet and wanted to move on from fruiting cakes).
I enjoy it plus it’s a great way to learn things like proper surface conditions.
What works for me:
I keep the lid on until 75-100% colonization of coir. Please note, I only use coir since the cakes already have verm in them. I add no additional verm to my substrate so I’m not sure if that makes a difference.
At 75% (or more) I crack the lid open a little to give them air. I wait to mist but if you’re in a dryer area you mat need to mist earlier, just keep an eye on your surface. If they’re drying out I crack the lid less and if the are too wet, I crack it more.
Note: I’m no pro so wait for someone with greater experience. I’ve been doing brf to bulk for my last few grows and have had success. My APEs are doing well coming from cakes to bulk. It’s not the greatest yield but I’m learning a lot for when I move to oats and agar
fair enough I think my sub should work its got real good reviews. has pH buffers and everything. field capacity may have been slightly to wet. do your boxes have condensation on the top. maybe I just need to do some pic hunting. I just don't want it to be too wet for the myc.
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: TrippyMomp]
#26695213 - 05/25/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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They usually do a little, but if it’s too much I’ll crack the lid for air irregardless if how far along it is (since you can put it in fruiting conditions as soon as you mix spawn with substrate).
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Socrateshroom said: They usually do a little, but if it’s too much I’ll crack the lid for air irregardless if how far along it is (since you can put it in fruiting conditions as soon as you mix spawn with substrate).
Ok dope ! What are the main pinning triggers it sounds like full colonization and proper air exchange? It's usually around 75-80 at most in my closet. The light deff warms it some.
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: TrippyMomp]
#26695323 - 05/25/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Colonization and evaporation.
There’s nothing wrong with spawning cakes to coir it works fine.
Could be a little bacterial but nothing that’ll stop it from growing.
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: A.k.a]
#26695341 - 05/25/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Colonization and evaporation.
There’s nothing wrong with spawning cakes to coir it works fine.
Could be a little bacterial but nothing that’ll stop it from growing.
awesome thanks im thinking this single cake in a small 3 cup Tupperware gonna dunk n roll and then just set it on top of the 1 inch layer of coir/verm mixture. going to roll it in non sterilized verm I heard since the cakes are fully colonized theyre fairly resilient at this point. I was then going to leave the container uncovered in a 10 gal ziplock back with perilite in it ? how long should I soak perlite for or is it unnecessary I happen to have two large chip size bags of perlite so if possible and it has a use I wanna implement it. I wanna birth this cake because its pinning allover.
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#26695367 - 05/25/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well that’s just fruiting it.
I thought you meant shredding it and mixing with coir.
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: A.k.a]
#26695372 - 05/25/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Colonization and evaporation.
There’s nothing wrong with spawning cakes to coir it works fine.
Could be a little bacterial but nothing that’ll stop it from growing.

After a nice mist and some air, my shoeboxes explode with pins.
If it's pinning, no need to dunk and roll. You can bottom water it (put in in a small dish of water. Come back a few hours and it'll soak up all the water or as much as it needs).
When I used perlite, I gave it a good wash to soak up some water. No need to "soak" it for any crazy duration. Just give it a good rinse.
But if you're going to create a makeshift chamber for fruiting a cake, use a Humidity chamber. Perlite is most effective in a SGFC.
See below link to the HC Chamber TEK https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25339094
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: A.k.a]
#26695375 - 05/25/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think he's shredding some and birthing one specific one.
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Socrateshroom said: I think he's shredding some and birthing one specific one.
thank you all. im a noob so some of my terminology is off. I do have 32 quart tubs however I just bought 3 more shoe box tubs 7 quart size. its really hard for me not to want to just shred them all other than the one that's fruiting. and mix with coir. DO I need to pasteurize the coir and or vermiculite. both happen to be in bags already. the coir im not gonna lie am was feeling lazy really don't have a clean cooler to pasteurize coir in or a bucket. its a fairly large bag. I heard its an antimicrobrial due to its acidity? you think ill just be shooting myself in the foot by not pcing it or something. I think id have to pc it in jars since its not in brick form.
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: TrippyMomp]
#26695751 - 05/25/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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No coir doesn’t need anything special, just add water.
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#26695912 - 05/25/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dope !!!!!!!
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: A.k.a]
#26695961 - 05/25/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: No coir doesn’t need anything special, just add water.
For a mix do I wanna go like 50 50 vermiculite to coir or what ratio ? I don't need to PC the verm either right ? If I'm using the sub to add to shredded brf cakes. I birthed 2 tonight with the one that had pins. I dunked the other two and rolled them in verm rest are chilling for another week
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: TrippyMomp]
#26696399 - 05/26/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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TrippyMomp said:
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A.k.a said: No coir doesn’t need anything special, just add water.
For a mix do I wanna go like 50 50 vermiculite to coir or what ratio ? I don't need to PC the verm either right ? If I'm using the sub to add to shredded brf cakes. I birthed 2 tonight with the one that had pins. I dunked the other two and rolled them in verm rest are chilling for another week
Proper P.F Tek brf cakes already have verm, don't really see a need to make a mix. I've had great success with straight coir.
I use the bucket tek for my coir because the mushrooms seem to like it better (But that's just anecdotal).A.K.A is right, you could just add water and it'll work (just check field capacity).
I've seen conflicting information about the necessity to sterilize verm when using it in a substrate so I can't speak on that. Wait for someone experienced to answer you there but I suggest just using straight coir as a substrate.
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Sweet thanks guys to bunny hop of this topic I have a couple pins i keep having trouble getting this strain to inoculate on agar. But got it in the brf jars. Can I just cut the lil mushroom off and stick it in the center of a dish to grow ? I know I'll have to further isolate because of possible bacteria and mold more than likely. Thanks for all the input in deff gonna do grain spawn next. Just need to start doing it one of these days. Say I'm moving in 3 months and have limited time till I set up shop again can I save colonized grain jars for 6 months maybe less but that's a safe ball park. I'm hoping this brf cake/shoebox/humidity chamber puts out a decent amount. So far have one shoe box and wit 3 cakes shredded seeing good spread of myc everywhere. Have one humidity size shoebox with coir/verm layer and then my cakes on tinfoil 3 of them in there as well figured I'd just birth 2 of my gts slightly early to keep them with my already fruiting pt cake. I dunk n rolled the 2 that didn't have pins. I'll post pics later of the set up. I guess depending on how long these fully take to consolidate vs the changes in growth of my two diff boxes will determine what I do with these last 7 cakes.
I also made transfers with my gt on agar again and am excited to say I'm getting closer to isolating a clean gt myc.
Last question. I have these premade agar plates I need to use shame shame I know I was lazy oops. I know how to make plates dont judge time was more valuable at the moment and I only have an instant pot.
Can these agar plates work for myc PDYA MYA I think MEA works And MEA+C The c is just carbon added right those plates are black
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Re: shoe box via BRF lol. [Re: TrippyMomp]
#26696762 - 05/26/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would the yeast just be added nutrients?
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