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Al Queda is Bush's best friend
    #2669466 - 05/12/04 06:15 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

Ever notice how beneficial Al Queda has been to the Bush administration? First, there's 9/11, and I don't think I even have to get into how that benefitted Bush. Now, so soon after the whole prisoner abuse scandal threatens to take the administration down, Americans get sidetracked by this Berg beheading, once again stirring people up into this "kill them all" mentality. I wonder if Al Queda actually wants Bush to get re-elected.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669655 - 05/12/04 06:57 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

Right... seeing Bush is doing so well in the polls...
If you ask me they would rather see John Kerry in the White House because he would be slower to act and easily intimidated.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2669664 - 05/12/04 06:59 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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If you ask me they would rather see John Kerry in the White House because he would be slower to act and easily intimidated.



If they want him in office, they have an odd way of showing it. Also, I don't think a war hero such as Kerry would be so easily intimidated.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669676 - 05/12/04 07:01 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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Ever notice how beneficial Al Queda has been to the Bush administration? First, there's 9/11, and I don't think I even have to get into how that benefitted Bush. Now, so soon after the whole prisoner abuse scandal threatens to take the administration down, Americans get sidetracked by this Berg beheading, once again stirring people up into this "kill them all" mentality. I wonder if Al Queda actually wants Bush to get re-elected.




I hear that Hitler was being supported by Churchhill and Eisenhower so they'd have someone to attack.
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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2669691 - 05/12/04 07:05 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

First of all, get your history right. Eisenhower wasn't president until after World War II. Second, Churchill was not committing terrorist acts. Third, I don't wear hats, tin foil or otherwise.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669739 - 05/12/04 07:14 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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First of all, get your history right. Eisenhower wasn't president until after World War II. Second, Churchill was not committing terrorist acts. Third, I don't wear hats, tin foil or otherwise.




My mistake. I don't suppose that yotu'd have any of that nasty little "proof" thing us neocons ask for so much would you? About the AlQ/Bush connection that is.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2669748 - 05/12/04 07:16 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

I didn't say they were connected. I said Al Queda seems to want Bush to get re-elected. Just a hunch based on the evidence.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669758 - 05/12/04 07:18 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

I say Emperor Hirohito and the military brass of Japan wanted FDR to stay in office. I say this based on evidence.

No real substance to what you're saying.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669767 - 05/12/04 07:19 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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I didn't say they were connected. I said Al Queda seems to want Bush to get re-elected. Just a hunch based on the evidence.




So, wait, you didn't say that they were "best friends"? Should I take a screen shot of that and post it here? Or could you just admit that you did, in fact, say that. Do you think that best friends don't have a 'connection' ?


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2669769 - 05/12/04 07:20 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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I say Emperor Hirohito and the military brass of Japan wanted FDR to stay in office. I say this based on evidence.



Actually, there was wide speculation that FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack, and even provoked them.

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No real substance to what you're saying.



Doesn't Al Queda's timing strike you as a little...convenient for Bush? Of course it doesn't, because you support.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2669782 - 05/12/04 07:21 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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I didn't say they were connected. I said Al Queda seems to want Bush to get re-elected. Just a hunch based on the evidence.




So, wait, you didn't say that they were "best friends"? Should I take a screen shot of that and post it here? Or could you just admit that you did, in fact, say that. Do you think that best friends don't have a 'connection' ?



What I meant by that was that they are an asset to him, and do him more help than harm. I pity those with such low intelligence that they could not figure that out.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669810 - 05/12/04 07:25 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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Doesn't Al Queda's timing strike you as a little...convenient for Bush? Of course it doesn't, because you support.



Maybe it is a little convenient...based on that you aren't even close to establishing that Al Qaeda wants Bush to win the election and is his best friend.

As far as me supporting, I've yet to see you make a blind assertion like that, not sure why you're starting now. I do not support Bush.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2669818 - 05/12/04 07:27 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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Maybe it is a little convenient...based on that you aren't even close to establishing that Al Qaeda wants Bush to win the election and is his best friend.



Just a little theory I have. If Al Queda really wanted Bush out of office, they would do things to undermine him, rather than strengthen his support.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669838 - 05/12/04 07:28 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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What I meant by that was that they are an asset to him, and do him more help than harm. I pity those with such low intelligence that they could not figure that out.




In our little discussion about "ethnocentrism" you interpreted (wrongly) what someone was saying, and you defended it. I went with your own direct quote, and you attack me? The Joy of liberal thought.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669846 - 05/12/04 07:29 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

What makes you think their INTENTION was to benefit Bush? Just because that was a result of their action does not mean it was the cause.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2669861 - 05/12/04 07:31 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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What makes you think their INTENTION was to benefit Bush? Just because that was a result of their action does not mean it was the cause.



You're right. I don't have proof. But the timing of this just seems too perfect. The whole prisoner abuse scandal threatens to bring down the Bush administration, and suddenly Al Queda releases a video of them beheading an innocent civilian, and Bush's ratings suddenly shoot up? I'm sorry, but the timing seems a bit suspicious to me.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669901 - 05/12/04 07:38 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

You talk as if this coming out has completely tabled the Iraqi abuse scandal. I've been checking the major news channels throughout the day and I would say there has been about an equal amount of coverage for each(keep in mind the beheading is the more recent news). Major news websites also appear to have close to the same number of articles on each topic. I would also appreciate if you would link me to Bush's approval ratings before the beheading came out and after...preferably by the same source. Thank you.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2669927 - 05/12/04 07:43 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

Actually, I was using this thread as a reference for the approval ratings. Perhaps not the most scientific approach, but I wouldn't be surprised if more people support Bush now than did before this beheading became news.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: silversoul7]
    #2669979 - 05/12/04 07:53 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

The two different articles in the thread, posted by KoTT and LDS, give the numbers of a 46% approval rating for Bush and a 46%-41% lead for Bush over Kerry. Both consistent numbers and as they were both posted in the last two days, odds are they were completed before news of the beheading was released. In essence, all you have is a hunch that a sizable number of people have had their opinion changed after viewing and hearing of the beheading. You're of course allowed to speculate but as there is no proof outside of 'coincidence,' I see no point in continuing this argument.


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Re: Al Queda is Bush's best friend [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2669991 - 05/12/04 07:56 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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I see no point in continuing this argument.



I agree. I'm not trying to say that Bush and Al Queda are collaborating, but considering that Bush did virtually nothing to battle terrorism prior to 9/11, and then after invading Afghanistan he toppled a dictator who Osama Bin Laden hated, it doesn't surprise me that they'd be doing things to boost his support.


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