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OfflineBaby_Hitler
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Death by sanctions.
    #2669405 - 05/12/04 06:04 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There has been alot of debate about the impact that the UN sanctions on Iraq had on the civilian population. UNICEF at one point estimated that the death rate of children under 5 had doubled largely due to the sanctions.

How many people did the sanctions kill?

Please feel free to provide numbers or attempt to debunk them.


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2669414 - 05/12/04 06:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

None. Saddam killed them by his actions.


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2669428 - 05/12/04 06:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This reply is totally off the point. Saddam may have initiated hostilities in Kuait and been a generally disagreable bastard, but it was the US and other world powers that decided to put sanctions on Iraq.

It is a valid to ask how many people died as a result of those sanctions. Whether you blame Saddam or the US, there were consequences to the sanctions.

That said, I have no clue.


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: phi1618]
    #2669435 - 05/12/04 06:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

As there would have been no sanctions minus Saddams actions, it is straight to the point.


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2669441 - 05/12/04 06:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

He didn't ask who was responsible for the sanctions.
He asked how many people died as a result of them.


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2669456 - 05/12/04 06:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I remember someone citing something to the effect
of iraq going from an average infant mortality rate
to having one of the single worst in the world.

I'll see if I can find it...


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2669463 - 05/12/04 06:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Saddam deflected the blow of the sanctions back at the civilian population who suffered instead of himself. If anything they weakened the population so much as to destroy any chances they had of overthrowing him.


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: afoaf]
    #2669465 - 05/12/04 06:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: phi1618]
    #2669509 - 05/12/04 06:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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phi1618 said:
He didn't ask who was responsible for the sanctions.
He asked how many people died as a result of them.



You got me there.


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2669542 - 05/12/04 06:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
There has been alot of debate about the impact that the UN sanctions on Iraq had on the civilian population. UNICEF at one point estimated that the death rate of children under 5 had doubled largely due to the sanctions.

How many people did the sanctions kill?

Please feel free to provide numbers or attempt to debunk them.




How much money did Saddam have in cash as his people starved?

Was Iraq, pre liberation, a third world shitpit, or was it a 'civilized" nation with a "large middle class" as some in here parrot?


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2669558 - 05/12/04 06:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Do you mean pre-gulf war?


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2669786 - 05/12/04 07:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Do you mean pre-gulf war?




No, I'm refering to the palaces filled with cash the our soldiers found as we liberated Iraq. I'm sure that saddam was saving it to throw his country a big party, right?


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2670017 - 05/12/04 08:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Right, the sanctions didn't hurt Saddam much, in fact in some ways they helped him by weakening the civilian population making them easier oppress.


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2670027 - 05/12/04 08:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, haven't sanctions toppled Castro and benefited those who were oppressed under his regime?


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2670029 - 05/12/04 08:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Right, the sanctions didn't hurt Saddam much, in fact in some ways they helped him by weakening the civilian population making them easier oppress.



Right. And he was having ever so much trouble oppressing them before the sanctions.


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Re: Death by sanctions. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2670253 - 05/12/04 08:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

"And he was having ever so much trouble oppressing them before the sanctions. "

I think the idea that either with or withour sactions...the only people being hurt was the children, the elderly and the sick. either way saddam didn't hurt, so was that really a good move?


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