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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: Svetaketu]
    #26692769 - 05/24/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Coir is dirt cheap and verm is relatively expensive. seriously, what's up with the price of verm? seems to keep going up. I save verm for casing layer or bulk sub if I overhydrate it before pasteurizing but otherwise for cubes straight coir is a solid choice


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: Hans Wermhat]
    #26693044 - 05/24/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hans Wermhat said:
Coir is dirt cheap and verm is relatively expensive. seriously, what's up with the price of verm? seems to keep going up. I save verm for casing layer or bulk sub if I overhydrate it before pasteurizing but otherwise for cubes straight coir is a solid choice



I remember some dude on here said he got it from some friend at like a bulk dirt industrial type place for dirt cheap, but as far as home depot type pricing goes, it's definitely not worth it.


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #26693136 - 05/24/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Idk where you guys are but I got enough verm to last 20 years for a few bucks.


I think like 3 cubic feet for 20 dollars.


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26693143 - 05/24/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think Vermiculite will increase colonization times because of it's ability to hold more moisture. I'm just speculating and have no evidence to support this idea. But could be something Primal can test!  Thank being said I have seen Primal on in a month or so.


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26693939 - 05/24/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They just turned off the heat in my apt, and because it was extremely hot and dry in here, my tubs would dry out quite quickly if I use the large, modified tubs I started with. I would have to mist them quite a bit, and I ended up taping over the holes because they would have dried out the entire cake had I left them open. Therefore, thought I could get away with using unmodified bins in my apartment, so I bought some smaller ones and used them right away for the APEs that I had lots of spawn for, which I wanted to grow next.

When making the coir for these ones, I made it a bit more on the wetter side, squeezing the water out in my fist, so in addition to the bins getting less PAE--and with it also being cooler and less dry over the past three days since they've turn off the heat--the first batch of Apes that are coming up are incredibly squishy and moist. I just harvested about an hour ago, and I couldn't believe how different they were to the touch than my GT grows.

I will definitely let the rest of the coir I have in my cooler dry out a bit, and I will be using drier coir over the next months.


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: Mycelia]
    #26693976 - 05/24/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It's straight coir for me. I started with verm initially, and have used it again a few times here and there, but I don't see any significant benefit. Perhaps I just haven't been able to maximize the potential benefits of verm, but I'm quite happy without it and I'm obviously not alone.

That said, it was INSANELY cheap when I bought it a couple years ago at the Rural King in my area when I was living in SW Virginia. Like literally a dollar and change for an 8 quart bag. I was thinking it must have been a mistake or something because I had read about how expensive it was for so many people


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26694030 - 05/25/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Idk where you guys are but I got enough verm to last 20 years for a few bucks.


I think like 3 cubic feet for 20 dollars.



:rofl2:

3 cubic feet... 20 yrs...    do you even grow shrooms:lol:    sorry,  thats still a good deal... half of what I usually have to pay fer one of those bags

dont forget about the BE... verm has a high BE




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Sockadin said:
I think Vermiculite will increase colonization times because of it's ability to hold more moisture. I'm just speculating and have no evidence to support this idea. But could be something Primal can test!  Thank being said I have seen Primal on in a month or so.




it allows the sub to hold more moisture without compromising consistency

I kinda wanna try a verm only tub now:crazy2:


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #26694130 - 05/25/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hans Wermhat said:
Coir is dirt cheap and verm is relatively expensive. seriously, what's up with the price of verm? seems to keep going up. I save verm for casing layer or bulk sub if I overhydrate it before pasteurizing but otherwise for cubes straight coir is a solid choice



I remember some dude on here said he got it from some friend at like a bulk dirt industrial type place for dirt cheap, but as far as home depot type pricing goes, it's definitely not worth it.




Try a contractor. Verm is used a insulation in walls / chimneys and in big bags it's dirt cheap. Like AKA we got 100 liters for like 20,- too. The little bags in garden shops etc are crazy expensive


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: Tweeq]
    #26694384 - 05/25/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lol ok maybe not for the guys that run 40 monos.

I also use way less than most people I should’ve added. I usually just grab a couple handfuls per brick when I use it.

Mostly I have it for mixing casings. Imo so far that’s the best use for it.


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: Mycelia]
    #26694563 - 05/25/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If it's too dry, won't it slow down the colonization process to a halt?




If it's too dry, yes. That's why I said slightly drier is better than too wet.

It's much easier to add verm untill you reach a nice texture than it is to hand squeeze a shitload of coir.

Verm doesn't need pasteurized.

Alternatively, if a batch is made and is too wet, you can just make another batch with less water and then mix the two.


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Re: Straight coir (without vermiculite) [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26694679 - 05/25/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My only gripe with verm is how much space it takes up. I think I have the same 3 cubic foot bag and its the size of a small child lol. Maybe mine is bigger idk. I think it was 36 bucks on amazon.


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