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Nothing (or nothingness)
    #26693657 - 05/24/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It is said that Moses had a great knowledge of nothing (da'at)..

And so he could see through the veil of matter.

I personally believe that nothing is more than an abstract idea.. but exists as a perfection of knowledge..

So to know nothing as they say that wise men do.. is a high attainment..

The dualism of everything and nothing!

Nothing as I know is the divine zero..

I still question if there is negative space.. The void mayhaps


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26693918 - 05/24/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder how nothing relates to the force (jedi)

And how nothingness relates to attraction..

Maybe its a doorway from one set of reality to another.. the next stage


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26693960 - 05/24/20 11:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing, as in emptiness?  Or?


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26693967 - 05/24/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I think that nothing is and isnt emptiness..

Different words.. slightly different meaning..

Can emptiness be a bridge to something..?

Can emptiness create fullness? Can emptiness turn on love and compassion.

Compassion is like a sense that someone out there is basically going through the same existence as me..


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26693968 - 05/24/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Grocery Gateway!,


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26694027 - 05/25/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Emptiness (Sunyata- Buddhist tradition) is likened to magical illusion to convey its mysterious & paradoxical nature. Not nothing in that there is something, yet that something is ultimately utterly beyond any thing we can categorize by, describe, call, name, etc.
On 1 hand we have the relative truth, on another we have the absolute truth. Both hands belong to the same body.
They don’t contradict per say, they are complimentary, they synergize, and coalesce  - -  ya dig?


:yinyang:

Simultaneously, absent - yet - apparent...
To once, both Absent - yet - perceptible.

:yinyang2:

Example: By virtue of illustrating the teaching of the Buddhas upon 1 of 8 classical similes of Illusion.

/start\

:buddha2:

You recognize, you lucky ones,
that the nature of sentient beings is apparition ( dream, hallucination, reflection, echo, etc - all akin to magical illusion),
the nature of pure mind is the spaciousness of illusion, and non-dual samsara-nirvana is the play of that illusion.
The buddha has said that his only message is enchantment (illusion) we recognize, all of us who seek release,
that the duplicitous totality itself is enchanting reality.
Enchanting illusion can also be known like this:
it is a magic show of pure mind
that is immutable, unchanging, spontaneity;
it is a guileless ubiquitous master, like the sky,
like the sun, or like a wish-fulfilling gem,
displaying unlimited creativity and total responsiveness, that is the unelaborated simplicity of pure radiance.


The magic show that is samsara, spurious and beguiling, lacking any definition, is evanescent like phantom;
in the moment when delusive concepts leave it,
it dissolves into its own spaciousness.
Just as horses and elephants cease to appear when the conjuror's spell is broken,
so tainted samsara's perceptual duality
resolves itself into its own primordial nature, and now empty in its purity, it loses all identity.


The magic show of the natural state is immutable reality, the reality that includes both polluted and pristine;
just as the internal space of both clay and golden vessels, whether damaged or intact, neither increases nor decreases,
so in moments of both delusion and freedom
reality itself remains a nonjudgmental constant.
This is buddha-mind in its natural state of being
and knowing this one is truly wise.

:buddha2:

/end\

*Original Credit to Longchenpa. (Book 1 of 3: Dzogchen/ Atiyoga: Finding Comfort & Ease In Enchantment, aka the Illusoriness of things)
& credit to Keith Dowman, for his skillful translation.


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26694033 - 05/25/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So what is is symbol.. carrier of information..

But the next to nothing which is the frame of everything..

The nothing itself is both abstract and concrete..

The nothing both carries information.. as pure potential.. the next to novel moment..

But nothing is also empty of anything at all..


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26694057 - 05/25/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Symbols give us recognition and then familiarization with the nature of mind.  Emptiness is endowed with primordial wisdom.

Another excerpt  from part 1 of Longchenpa’s Trilogy

Samsaric appearances, unfounded, are like optical illusion,
their very rootlessness undoing all defining features;
with insight, they appear as hollow, insubstantial light-form and we recognize their primordially unoriginated nature.


Just as a small object in the middle of an empty plain, although insignificant assumes vast importance,
so from a tendentious belief in empty self as solid ego samsara's delusory panorama arises and materializes.

Under scrutiny that delusory vision dematerializes
and it is evident that like the sky it is impotent,
mere light-form without existence, like optical illusion, so we just let it be, denying it all credibility.

It is pure space! it is timeless! it is primordially pristine!
Do not try to localize it! do not try to conceptualize it!
What is inchoate light without dimension
cannot be caged by obsessive, biased, constructs.

It is better to surrender all ideas about it
and recognize it all as devoid of truth.
So we recognize all events as optical illusion
and rest the weary mind, just as it is, in its primordial nature.

.....

:yinyang2:

Homage to Vajrasattva!
In the space where all experience remains in potential,
emerges a grand display of nondual awareness and illusion,
the original spontaneity of our sovereign nature of mind:
indivisible from that, unmoving, to that we bow down.

:buddha2:

.....

That is the ultimate absolute view of emptiness in the tradition.

Obviously, that is why it’s called the *two truths doctrine, because in the relative truth/realm of society and relations,
conventional language and whatnot is convenient and comes in handy.

I can’t say it any better than others have already done over the history of mankind...so


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26694069 - 05/25/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well I think that idealism is true for everything in existence..

The idea that everything occupies space of some sort.. whether abstract or concrete.. is very true for everything.. So can it be true for nothing as well..

That nothing.. (the idea) specifically has a proper place as well..

Like if you were to point and say.. "hey there is nothingness" right there being in virtuous position.. via the outlines of objects and in the imediate vicinity or closeness of relation.. The very adjacent angles themselves..

I guess to posit this better.. imagine a picture frame with nothing inside it.. not even a mirror..

The lines surrounding show the outline only.. bevause there is nothing inside..

Having said this as a new determinate I can ask the question.."Where does emptiness exist specifically"


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26694075 - 05/25/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That is essentially the same as asking where does a thought exist?  It doesn’t actually exist in a persons head so to speak.it can’t literally be found anywhere in the universe objectively, it can’t be absolutely quantified, but it is still an occurring phenomena.

Where does a hallucination exist?  It doesn’t, it’s unreal.  But it’s still perceptible nevertheless.

* Primordial Mind *

That’s the best answer I can give you, because apart from Mind, nothing can be known to be.

As with Ice & Water, there can be no ice without water.  Interdependent origination.  Implying Everything’s ultimately primordially unborn,
  co-mutually arising in a interconnected net of transforming matter like illusion via the chains cause & effect occurring only in the the timeless present , here & now.
As of it was already always was, or  already always is, and will always will be , aka primordial.

Some like to say everything is in Gods Mind, as if everything in all the Uni-Multiverse is Gods imagination or dream.
  Decent analogy for imaginatively picturing it all- more or less.


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Re: Nothing (or nothingness) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26694122 - 05/25/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think the universe is a holographic but concrete projection..

That light comes from the Soul.. primordial Adam Kadmon.. Ad Adami, Adonai.. eihei binah.. Leuth is the common concoction of Chochmah.

Power is always held because it exists and is right..

The only power can exist if it's right..

So right mindedness is true spiritual power..

So like what exists.. ? Well everything exists Brendan..

What doesnt exist? That's likely tte most important question..

Because nothing both exists and doesn't exist..

It's the crazy duality..


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