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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: GreenHorns]
#26693390 - 05/24/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Were all working with the essentially the same hardware, and the software is more or less the same too.
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specialpeopleclub said: people definately dont all 'feel the same' or whatever. All humans dont respond the same.
My thought was polar extremes. I have not personally seen that any walk of human life doesn't laugh and cry in the same manner for the same reasons. Pure joy and pure sadness are understood irregardless. If you've got a different understanding I'm interested in hearing about it.
We have brains. They dont all work the same. There is a range and outliers/
People dont see things the same though. What causes hqppiness in one culture may not in another. People find differant ideas and things pleasing.
I wouldnt even say feelings at their farthest points are the same between people. Why would someone of a different ethnicity raised in a differant culture be similar? Someone that hasnt seen technology or has grown up with a completely differant set of values? Your way of thinking is presumptuous to me.
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26693394 - 05/24/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Exactly. Some people actually get offended if you do something nice for them. For example, if someone does something for another person but the other person wanted to do it theirself. All sorts of reactions are possible with positive actions. Thats the power of Free Will and Human Personalities.
I question free will sometimes. But that’s another matter.
I guess what I mean is that the purity of the action isn’t important and that attempting to assign a value to such acts is selfish, unless of course such actions are done in order to have someone in debt to you or to manipulate them into something unsavory.
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The Blind Ass said: Were all working with the essentially the same hardware, and the software is more or less the same too.
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specialpeopleclub said: people definately dont all 'feel the same' or whatever. All humans dont respond the same.
My thought was polar extremes. I have not personally seen that any walk of human life doesn't laugh and cry in the same manner for the same reasons. Pure joy and pure sadness are understood irregardless. If you've got a different understanding I'm interested in hearing about it.
We have brains. They dont all work the same. There is a range and outliers/
People dont see things the same though. What causes hqppiness in one culture may not in another. People find differant ideas and things pleasing.
I wouldnt even say feelings at their farthest points are the same between people. Why would someone of a different ethnicity raised in a differant culture be similar? Someone that hasnt seen technology or has grown up with a completely differant set of values? Your way of thinking is presumptuous to me.
True. I am operating on what society and most people define as good and moral.
But the best lessons I got about it oddly enough came from anime shows I watched. Moral ambiguity was a big then and the characters seemed to accept that there isn’t always a hard and fast rule to things in life and that what some consider good is bad to others. Ultimately all you can really do is fight for what you believe in because in the end that’s all we really have to hold on to.
I understand that some cultures demonize homosexuality for reasons I don’t understand and that ultimately what keeps them in check is other groups with the power to enforce the contrary. But I am under no illusion that my words alone could sway a person who truly wants to put me to death. If that were so then I wouldn’t hesitate to subdue them, and heaven forbid something else.
Heh, I started asking about if truly selfless acts exist and now I’m wondering if there are hard “good and bad” to build the justification for such acts. After all war is full of selfless acts that slaughter many and some religions too.
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specialpeopleclub said:
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The Blind Ass said: Were all working with the essentially the same hardware, and the software is more or less the same too.
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GreenHorns said:
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specialpeopleclub said: people definately dont all 'feel the same' or whatever. All humans dont respond the same.
My thought was polar extremes. I have not personally seen that any walk of human life doesn't laugh and cry in the same manner for the same reasons. Pure joy and pure sadness are understood irregardless. If you've got a different understanding I'm interested in hearing about it.
We have brains. They dont all work the same. There is a range and outliers/
People dont see things the same though. What causes hqppiness in one culture may not in another. People find differant ideas and things pleasing.
I wouldnt even say feelings at their farthest points are the same between people. Why would someone of a different ethnicity raised in a differant culture be similar? Someone that hasnt seen technology or has grown up with a completely differant set of values? Your way of thinking is presumptuous to me.
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26693465 - 05/24/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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https://www.lionsroar.com/forum-sex-lies-and-buddhism/
An interesting take on the subject from a Buddhist perspective, with this stating that those who are Enlightened don't do acts because they are right or wrong but because they are enlightened and as such behave in such a manner. Seems like a chicken or egg kind of thing to me and it does raise a bunch of other questions.
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26693472 - 05/24/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Homosexuality is a common example. In my head i was thinking of the Easter Islanders that would have a race to get this egg to decide who the leader is. The leader would live in isolation . Or in new guinnia where the children are encouraged to suck cock. Or the camanche chopping off peoples limbs then burning them alive.
It depends on the anime. Its just entertainment though. Im kind of sick of all the shows that want to make me empathize with murderers.
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specialpeopleclub said: Homosexuality is a common example. In my head i was thinking of the Easter Islanders that would have a race to get this egg to decide who the leader is. The leader would live in isolation . Or in new guinnia where the children are encouraged to suck cock. Or the camanche chopping off peoples limbs then burning them alive.
It depends on the anime. Its just entertainment though. Im kind of sick of all the shows that want to make me empathize with murderers.
It wasn’t that kind of show. Killing was something to be avoided if possible and regrettable if it came to it. But the reality they showed is that moral judgments rest on the power to enforce them. Black Lagoon I thought was good in that in it showed how mere idealism isn’t enough without strength to back it.
You can decry murder all you want but can you stop someone from doing it with mere words? Unlikely . It’s part of why I think we live in a privileged world where we have the luxury of debating such things because power keeps humans stable and civil. But civilization is just a thin veneer ready to snap at the slightest provocation.
Words without actions are just dreams, that’s how I view morality. At the end of the day it comes down to “what are you gonna do about it”?
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It depends on the anime. Its just entertainment though. Im kind of sick of all the shows that want to make me empathize with murderers.
What?
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26693554 - 05/24/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Were all working with the essentially the same hardware, and the software is more or less the same too.
Ever heard the conspiracy of MarkBot?
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26693556 - 05/24/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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...what is it?
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26693559 - 05/24/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its the conspiracy theory that Mark Zuckerberg is a Robot as he acted like a robot in this interview:
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26693575 - 05/24/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looks to me like he’s trying to compose himself a certain way knowing he’s got the eyes of the world on him, knowing it is being recorded for posterity’s sake and whatnot. He does come off pretty stiff though.. that plus the fact he’s associated with tech, software, PCs (in general) etc, I can see why that conspiracy theory got started!
Unless he’s an android like the ones from Star Trek: Picard, he would’ve been outed by medical exams etc etc.
Still, The added Mechanical Robotic sound effects are a nice touch. 
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26693579 - 05/24/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, its pretty silly. Also some interesting Gematria with "MarkBot" as well.
Anyway, back on topic. How do we measure a truly selfless act? What is the criteria? Is it even possible to have a 100% selfless act?
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26693668 - 05/24/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but there was a man that has mathematically proved(proven?) that altruism is inherently selfish.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/mar/13/george-davis-altruism-selfish-play-calculating-kindness
I say embrace it. How cool is it to be apart of a species that gets it's kicks out of being nice, and chill, and helping people. I know that's not true for everyone. But I think most people at heart try to be good, and want to think of themselves as good. And that's something that I'm okay with.
I'd rather have people posting videos of themselves giving people free food and doing good deeds for clout(as much as it makes me roll my eyes), rather than people being mean and terrible.
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26693674 - 05/24/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats it!
Mathematically proven? 
I personally think that one aspect of Life is to have fun. Have fun but dont bring people down to have fun. Have a good time and make it feel like a good time for other people too. Thats kinda my Philosophy about it.
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#26693696 - 05/24/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Thats it!
Mathematically proven? 
I personally think that one aspect of Life is to have fun. Have fun but dont bring people down to have fun. Have a good time and make it feel like a good time for other people too. Thats kinda my Philosophy about it.
I used to think that a while ago.
But it became difficult to resolve that drive with what cost my fun comes. I am truly fortunate to live in a stable environment with little strife, but I know it comes at the cost and on the backs of many many others.
I think that is a way to look at life but not an aspect of it per se, since such an attitude seems to imply a sort of privilege.
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: VajraWarrior]
#26693704 - 05/24/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So how does one remedy the privilege's? Do you want to lower your level so that its more fair for everyone "below" you?
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26693737 - 05/24/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Partly by keeping an appropriate perspective. Survival is primary, after that is more or less set - you can experiment all you want and enjoy the garden, so to speak.
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26693740 - 05/24/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its always important to self-reflect on one's own behaviour. It gives you a better perspective on life and how to relate to people. Also it prevents becoming a hypocritic.
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Re: Can there be a truly selfless act? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26693750 - 05/24/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Everything we have today mostly is because of the collective efforts of every individuals life going all the way back in time. Not to mention the human component of that equation is a drop in the bucket compared to the whole of what nature has brought forth over time. I can’t begin to imagine the type of grace & dread that our ancestors had to live with. Living and dying in it. With enough time, Our predecessors in essence are the food, food, drink, and clothing that nourishes & protects us throughout the day(s). How then can one not be but humbly grateful for their possessions & those who came before us ?
I can have my life relatively “set” in my little bubble, but if I think that is reflective of everyone’s circumstances, I’m deluded.
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