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Cold shock or not?
    #26692835 - 05/24/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey everyone!

I've got two grow kits going right now. More than two weeks after dunking and putting them in the fridge, one of them is starting to pin. The other one, however, isn't showing too much signs of progress.

Should I wait some more days or should I cold shock it?

I've read contradictory advice on this subject. Some people say dunking + cold shocking works in this situation (although I don't think this kit needs a dunk, because it isn't dry at all) and other people say the cold stalls the mycelium :confused:

Thanks for your help :smile:


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26692930 - 05/24/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cold shocking doesn't do much to cubes except slow them down for however long you put them in the fridge.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984] * 2
    #26692942 - 05/24/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

cold shocking is about as good of an idea as buyin kits

as in that neither one usually produces fruits


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26692958 - 05/24/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Cold shocking doesn't do much to cubes except slow them down for however long you put them in the fridge.




Thank you! Is there something else I could try?


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cold shocking is about as good of an idea as buyin kits

as in that neither one usually produces fruits




I know grow kits are not the best option. However, I've got decent results in the past with grow kits, one of them producing a quite big yield, but that's not the debate here. Do you have any advice on what I could do with this stalled kit?


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26692969 - 05/24/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Post some pictures so we can see what you are working with.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26692979 - 05/24/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

grow kit fruiting chamber


im just joking with ya dont cry  but pics would help


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26692998 - 05/24/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Post some pictures so we can see what you are working with.




This pic is from some days ago, but I don't see much change so here it goes:





And this is the kit that's starting to produce some really tiny pins (I untaped the holes I had poked so it starts getting more FAE):




Thank you!

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grow kit fruiting chamber


im just joking with ya dont cry  but pics would help




Here's a pic from my first grow kit ever:

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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26693005 - 05/24/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

some of those almost look like some mold starting to take hold


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26693016 - 05/24/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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some of those almost look like some mold starting to take hold




You mean the new kits?

Could be, but I don't see any mold on the colonized mycelium and no weird smells. They have been almost like that for 2 weeks. If it was mold I think it would spread quicker, right?


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26693053 - 05/24/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

like these areas here look kinda suspect. like they are gnna mold over and even the blobs look more like bacterial blobbing than they do mycelium to me. but the pics arent the greatest quality either and im also looking at them on a phone so idk man🤷🏼 its a grow kit so if u get anything at all that u can harvest and actually trip off of then id consider yourself lucky cuz most kits dont produce anything at all


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26693059 - 05/24/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

oops lol


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26693077 - 05/24/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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oops lol






Yep that also looked suspect to me but it looks like that almost 20 days later. It would have grown if it was mold, right?


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26693179 - 05/24/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here is the thing. Grow kits are sold with a heavy vermiculite layer. Those are gonna take a while. There also sold with shit instructions, I'm calling out you M_gro...  If it fails you have to buy another kit. So they are almost built with a 50% failure rate in mind. More successful grows =less returning customers. Cause once you got fruits. You do need grow kits.

I'm just saying. Time is money. You can buy a grow kit and roll the dice, or you can send some time doing research and learn how to do it without the kit.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26694109 - 05/25/20 02:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Here is the thing. Grow kits are sold with a heavy vermiculite layer. Those are gonna take a while. There also sold with shit instructions, I'm calling out you M_gro...  If it fails you have to buy another kit. So they are almost built with a 50% failure rate in mind. More successful grows =less returning customers. Cause once you got fruits. You do need grow kits.

I'm just saying. Time is money. You can buy a grow kit and roll the dice, or you can send some time doing research and learn how to do it without the kit.




That makes sense about the vermiculite.

Yeah, I've already researched some teks, mainly shoeboxes and PF tek and wanted to do shoeboxes this round but with the lockdown it was cheaper to get these kits.

Do you think it would be a good idea to spawn these kits to bulk with some coir and putting them in a shoebox?

Thank you!


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26694177 - 05/25/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The stalled kit finally started pinning, although on the sides.

Some pictures from today. Should I put it in a bigger tub so that it has more space to fruit?

Mazatapec Kit:


Mckkennai:


Thank you :smile:


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26694202 - 05/25/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would leave them be for now. I don't know where you got it but if there is a heating pad don't use it.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26694236 - 05/25/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I would leave them be for now. I don't know where you got it but if there is a heating pad don't use it.




Ok, but won't they rot from being choked?

No heating pad, it's just the picture that's a bit weird lol

It's currently 24-25ºC in the room so more suited for AC than a heating mat :laugh:

Thank you!


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26694247 - 05/25/20 05:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What is your fruiting chamber situation? They need Fresh air at this stage. You have fruiting on both kits. Looks like your gonna have mushrooms pushing up through the Vermiculite instead of the Mycelium fully colonizing the vermiculite.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26694254 - 05/25/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What is your fruiting chamber situation? They need Fresh air at this stage. You have fruiting on both kits. Looks like your gonna have mushrooms pushing up through the Vermiculite instead of the Mycelium fully colonizing the vermiculite.




Right now it's the small plastic tub inside a grow bag.

The grow bag has a built in filter for gas exchange but I added about 12 small holes on each bag on the two wider sides. One row of 6 holes almost at substrate level on one of the wider sides of the bag and the other row higher on the bag on the opposite side.

I'm also fanning a couple of times each day. I just started introducing more fresh air on the McKennai kit because I didn't see it was already fruiting on the sides.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984] * 1
    #26694261 - 05/25/20 06:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cool. Might put a single layer of Micropore tape on the bottom holes to hold in the moisture. Leave the too holes uncovered for now and hold back on the fanning. The holes should give you enough FAE for now.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26694311 - 05/25/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Cool. Might put a single layer of Micropore tape on the bottom holes to hold in the moisture. Leave the too holes uncovered for now and hold back on the fanning. The holes should give you enough FAE for now.




Ok, thank you I did that!

Do you think the side pins could rot from being smashed against the tub?


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26694357 - 05/25/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you think the side pins could rot from being smashed against the tub?




No. When the harvest time comes, harvest the top ones first, put your palm on the sub and turn the whole thing around. Then harvest all sthe side/bottom pins.


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    #26694566 - 05/25/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you think the side pins could rot from being smashed against the tub?




No. When the harvest time comes, harvest the top ones first, put your palm on the sub and turn the whole thing around. Then harvest all sthe side/bottom pins.




Nice, thank you!

I will do that and then add a liner for the second flush or put it into a bigger tub.

Some people even suggested spawning to bulk with coir, not sure if that's a good idea.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26694864 - 05/25/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don't line it for the second flush, liner only works if added when spawning. Spawning to bulk might work if you did it before first flush, now you'll just tire the myc out.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: poisoned]
    #26694968 - 05/25/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Don't line it for the second flush, liner only works if added when spawning. Spawning to bulk might work if you did it before first flush, now you'll just tire the myc out.




Oh, didn't know that, thanks for telling me. I thought since the sub shrinks from one flush to the next one, the liner is even more needed, but I guess I was wrong.

Is there something I can do to avoid smashed side pins for next flushes? Maybe fruit in a bigger tub?


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26694972 - 05/25/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, you could do it humidity chamber style or maybe even that water tub. Check Mateah's teks.

The issue with liner now is that myc won't hold onto it, so you'll still get side pins, you just won't see them.


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Re: Cold shock or not? [Re: poisoned]
    #26694977 - 05/25/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, you could do it humidity chamber style or maybe even that water tub. Check Mateah's teks.

The issue with liner now is that myc won't hold onto it, so you'll still get side pins, you just won't see them.




Nice, thank you, I will check that out and try to build a better fruiting chamber than what it has now :smile:


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