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2020 Friggin shroom nerds thread * 1
    #26692711 - 05/24/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So I will come back later and make this post fancy, but the intention of this post is to get a new update on everything revelant to the new updated way of doing things and also for a discussion board to bring over general discussion topics like renaming FAE to PAE (something capsmcgee mentioned).

Please feel free to post new ideas or reworked processes here.

A simple example is that Caps said we should start renaming Frequent Air Exchange Passive Air Exchange. I like it and and running with the idea, but it can be confusing especially since I always thought FAE stood for fresh air exchange.

I plan on coming back to clean up this post and make it pretty. But get your thoughts and commentary in. Also post links to new methods that have emerged like Bodhisatta unmoded tubs or Natedawgs SSLI if you would like the links added to the OP.


Updated 5/25/20. I like Ladysknight Verizon better so let's just leave it at that.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26692882 - 05/24/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Not so sure I agree with the "Passive Air Exchange" thing. FAE in my mind means "Fresh Air Exchange"...in that we are introducing fresh air...of course frequently. To me the term "passive" means not actively involved/automatic/automated...think passive income.

So, by renaming it to "Passive Air Exchange"...it is emphasizing the passive or automated idea to much. Of course if  you can automatically or "passively" introduce fresh air that's ideal...but you can manually introduce fresh air and that is fine too...think opening up a monotub to mist and fan.

It's not how we introduce fresh air...just that we do it. There are many ways to skin a cat. If you start calling it passive... newcomers might think that it has to be automated or passive or it is inadequate...and that is not necessarily the case.

I feel the emphasis should remain on "fresh"...not "frequent" or "passive"...IMHO.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: lateforthafuture] * 1
    #26692917 - 05/24/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Passive is the exact opposite of automation by strange machines though. FAE has always been fresh air exchange for me and everyone else I’ve known to spell it out but I can dig the PAE. Passive means just letting it happen naturally by the way things are set up.

Misting and fanning is not a substitution for constant, passive fresh air which is what you should be after so I think it does more accurately convey the correct idea.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26692940 - 05/24/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Good point about the passive vs automatic (ah semantics)..but that further proves my point. Many growers use automated systems to introduce fresh air..such as fans and humidifiers to introduce and remove air. While others use passive systems such as monotubs or SGFC fruiting chambers that passively introduce fresh air.

It's not a huge deal..I just think fresh air exchange is more appropraite..because it doesn't matter if we are manually..passively or automatically introducing fresh air...we just need to do it.

Maybe I'm just over thinking these terms haha !!!


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: lateforthafuture] * 1
    #26692943 - 05/24/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think we should confuse anyone even more. They will start wondering what's FAE and what's PAE when they would be the same thing.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: poisoned]
    #26692951 - 05/24/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't think we should confuse anyone even more. They will start wondering what's FAE and what's PAE when they would be the same thing.




Exactly. If it ain't broke don't fix it


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Bedgus]
    #26692957 - 05/24/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't think we should confuse anyone even more. They will start wondering what's FAE and what's PAE when they would be the same thing.




Exactly. If it ain't broke don't fix it




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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: lateforthafuture]
    #26692965 - 05/24/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well I guess we should just let this die. Lock it down! Cron, who I haven't seen on in a while. I guess people are being nice for a change.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Bedgus]
    #26692967 - 05/24/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: lateforthafuture]
    #26692987 - 05/24/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’m also for simplicity especially considering we’re on the internet and people read an offhand comment or joke or typo and sometimes go doing crazy things with their grow. Like covering a tub lid with foil : ) sorry if you’re reading this now, no malice bro :hug: :noargument:

But for growing cubes in the ways we’re most often talking about, it does matter how you get your fresh air. You want PAE not just fresh air any way you can get it. I’ve seen mad grows messed up by automation attempts. Only in a Martha or other grow tent type would PAE not be the thing to say.

I don’t know if the plebs can handle two different acronyms for different styles of growing though. Up here, where the air is crisp, I have no problems differentiating.

I like this thread idea sock, don’t be calling for lock artists


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26693081 - 05/24/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A complete newbie will immediately understand when you tell him what fresh air exchange is and it is much more correlated to what you are actually doing in your tub (reducing CO2, introducing oxygen). People make monos because it passively exchanges air through the poly at a rate comfortable for the myc, just as the air gaps in unmodded tubs do, which is by itself already passive. It's not that people can't handle 2 acronyms, it's just that this one is completely unnecessary imo and would just do more harm than good. I'm all for innovating and making this stuff better for everyone and I like the idea of this thread, but if something already works why fix it?


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Bedgus]
    #26693113 - 05/24/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think saying passive just means you are not using anything to push air. So for instance, I don’t have a fan running in my setup using micropore tape holes. Comparatively friends may use micropore and use an active system where they use fans directing airflow into the setup. While my setup would be passive in the sense that I’m not doing that. I don’t think the term applies to the fact that there is still fresh air exchange In each method. It just means One is  active and one is passive. I’ve run both many different times over the years. I like passive more because I don’t have to tinker with any fans or anything.

1) coir doesn’t need to be boiled. If you culture is clean, you are fine
2) fans are not necessary in a grow room but you do need airflow. Passive systems work as good as active systems.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: eatyualive]
    #26693134 - 05/24/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well are we really encouraging PAE or FAE for Oxygen induction and CO2 displacement? Nope, we are doing it to remove humidity from the surface of the sub. The real goal for PAE or FAE in my opinion is to remove moisture through wicking. I just don't believe a tub will build enough CO2 to starve out a culture. The mycelium spends more time in a jar in grain form than it ever does in a tub, (Unless your Eats or Nate doing LI or SSLI).


  I guess my point of this thread was for ever one to post what is working for them and we can create a new list of things that are current. We could also make a note of things that are old news and don't work, like scratching a sub with a fork or cold shocks. I know I saw a noob post a cold shock question today.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin]
    #26693166 - 05/24/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's true, evaporation is actually a bigger role of air exchange, my bad. But still, changing up already well established terms is unnecessary if you ask me. As for the thread, it's a great idea that can benefit everyone and you should definitely give it a go!


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: eatyualive]
    #26693169 - 05/24/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I think of it as passive FAE or active FAE(so I guess PFAE or AFAE). Ultimately, what the mushrooms need is FAE


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26693200 - 05/24/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ultimately what they need is AE: Air Exchange lol... when I set, i forget: no misting, no fanning... just wait: extremely passive... the air in my house is far from fresh if I had to imagine lol... I'm not sure where I saw frequent air exchange, but I've read it in an acronym thread or something somewhere as such... fresh air exchange makes as much sense as calling AA+ an albino:  its just an accepted misnomer... You'll not catch me, they're LA+ in my mind lmao...


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26693214 - 05/24/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Haha I have said it before LA+. Or I guess AL+ since it was Avery albino+ right?


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin]
    #26693223 - 05/24/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No... totally different animal... Avery's albino is a true albino Cambodian


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26693246 - 05/24/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

May I confuse the boards some more? :typing:

I feel it's neither fresh air exchange nor stale air exchange its basically just 'enabling evaporation off the substrate'. Or how about this? When growers say the substrate needs more FAE or when they say the substrate is 'choking' do they mean the colony needs more oxygen or do they mean it needs to evaporate more? Exactly :lol: #confused


But I really like the PFAE/AFAE term :bongload:


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Mateja]
    #26693261 - 05/24/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Evaporation is kind of a byproduct of air exchange... EAE: Evaporatory Air Exchange ... I think you're onto something for pinning stage though... increased air exchange brings with it increased evaporation: well timed increase will noticeably make a difference in fruit count IME/O
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Dryer subs dont pin as well: or have as much moisture for evaporation...
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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26693268 - 05/24/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Imo/Ime cubes don't need much oxygen at all to thrive so I've always seen FAE as evaporation and nothing else :shrug:


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26693282 - 05/24/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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No... totally different animal... Avery's albino is a true albino Cambodian



See this is what happens when you take breaks.. damn I thought AA+ was Avery albino.. what is AA+ then?

Also I agree with Meteah on that last post... They benefit from fresh air during the fruiting stage for fruit formation, but I feel (with no specific scientific background) that in a stale air environment the mycelium will recolonize and abort fruits and pins to conserve energy until the conditions are optimal for fruiting. So with low FAE or PAE your gonna get a pinning trigger, then fruits, then fuzzy feet, then aborted fruits all because of the lack of RH fluctuating over low oxygen and high CO2 levels. I really do not want to go buy a 300 dollar meter that tests O2 levels....


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26693313 - 05/24/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Suckadin bro you always misspelling my name :lol:


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26693326 - 05/24/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No I got it right. You misspelled it in your avatar!

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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26693332 - 05/24/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:lmafo: you're right I'm sorry I spoke too soon :cheers:


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26693402 - 05/24/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Even better. Shrooms need AE


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Apples in Mono] * 1
    #26693438 - 05/24/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Friggin shroom nerds thread  :freewilly:


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: LadysKnight]
    #26693452 - 05/24/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Haha. Well shit. This should be retitled no advance mycology thread.

I will work on the OP tomorrow. I'm tired.


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    #26693462 - 05/24/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lady’s Knight - don’t forget to colonize at 86f in a TiT, cold shock, scrape with a fork, and then place in a hermetically sealed chamber with a drip shield :splooge: :hug:

Sock will you be updating the first post with little bullet points of outdated stuff? Gems might get lost in the chit chat


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    #26693476 - 05/24/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl: and don't forget the foil on top of the sub to 'induce pinning'


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    #26693497 - 05/24/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Mateja]
    #26693527 - 05/24/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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:rofl: and don't forget the foil on top of the sub to 'induce pinning'



Hey that shit works if you have a dry climate!

At least I remember when RR told me to do it...


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin]
    #26693614 - 05/24/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

When a tub is choking it’s definitely from lack of air.

I can’t imagine a mushroom getting long and skinny from lack of evaporation.


If you meant lack of evaporation in the sense that evaporation moves the air and facilitates the fae then totally.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: A.k.a]
    #26694255 - 05/25/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I get that long skinny fruit thing. Learned the hard way in my youth. That is why we have fruiting conditions like good air movement in unmoded tubs or moded tubs. I was drunk posting last night again haha.

I guess my point was that mycelium can handle low o2 levels but requires alot more fresh air when it starts to produce fruit. Which we all already agree on.

But for reals, Mateah laying a plastic sheet or tin foil can help get surface conditions right before fruiting if you have poor surface conditions to start with and haven't gotten the dialing it in thing down.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26694313 - 05/25/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

1) Conditions thread is still relevant

2) Holy grail plates

3) Pasty plates

4) no boil coir

5) stros culturing guide

6) agar liquid culture

7) liquid inoculation

8) a2g, g2g

9) for fruiting PE, tedsdead  has a good one for PE with a two top layer method.

10) for bulk sub prep the real way, look at filthy write up on methods in his journal. This applIes to streamlining processes for bulk growers and how to utilize time management and methodology for the home bulk cultivator


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26694696 - 05/25/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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A simple example is that Caps said we should start renaming Frequent Air Exchange Passive Air Exchange. I like it and and running with the idea, but it can be confusing especially since I always thought FAE stood for fresh air exchange.





I find it hilarious that this message board makes up such a large percentage of the mushroom cultivating community, that you guys can just rename that shit if you want.  :laugh:


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: DigDug] * 1
    #26694702 - 05/25/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Isn't that how science works? All the people in the community suggest a change and change is made? This is all consensus based Cultivation. The real mushroom farms have their own names for shit too I'm sure.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin]
    #26694927 - 05/25/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not just renaming it, nor would I assume the authority... but I will be using PAE or AE personally,  bc I'm TIRED of misnomers lol... AA+ if I'm not mistaken, is just a luecistic variant of the variety A+ misnomer as an albino bc its white... furthermore, I believe A+ and B+ were 2 isolations of the same wild specimen... if anyone could confirm or deny/correct would be appreciated

Another change I'll adopt is Lotkid's use of WBF rather than WBS... as the majority of the food is grain specific, not simply seeds... Wild Bird Feed more accurately describes the product across brands


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
    #26694934 - 05/25/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds good to me. I never really messed with AA+ until someone sent me one this year. Really a name is just a name. Doesn't matter all that much.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin]
    #26694938 - 05/25/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Unless you've an extensive library of active cultures and special requests lol


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Sockadin]
    #26694940 - 05/25/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Aren't A+ producing leucistic offspring quite regularly while it's really rare with B+?


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    #26694944 - 05/25/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:shrug:

Perhaps that was the distinction between the 2


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26694945 - 05/25/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What I'm saying is that they are all Cubensis and people keeps making new "strains" but really it's all bullshit it is just genetic variations of the same species.

I use to have a very diverse library but if you don't keep that shit in culture storage the prints eventually die off. I probably have 30 different dead varieties across multiple species of actives. Nothing to do with dead prints.


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    #26694947 - 05/25/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Dead prints? Did they get wet or hot? Or you talking cultures?


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    #26694955 - 05/25/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Dead prints. Left out in a metal building in 110 degree heat in the summertime for 3 years. . Also some are old, like 2009 old.

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    #26694965 - 05/25/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Eek... yeahhh: no... lol,  I'm covered up in more shit than I'll ever get to... AND milking a goat twice daily lol


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    #26694978 - 05/25/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Updated the title and OP to reflect how this turned out.


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    #26695221 - 05/25/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

#EAFAMB
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    #26696639 - 05/26/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What the hells does that even mean Eats?


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    #26696705 - 05/26/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No idea what means #EAFAMB but I am familiar with #rubbingoneout  #showerbabies


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    #26696772 - 05/26/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Haha is that what shower babies are? Man I'm getting old.


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    #26696962 - 05/26/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

#rubbingoneout is the new terminology in slang for “knocking up or inoculating bags, jars ect. The old terminology which is outdated info was knock up or inoculate. But it is now termed rubbingoneout

#EAFAMB is Easy as fuck as my balls


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    #26696972 - 05/26/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You guys are all weird.:thumbup:


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    #26696997 - 05/26/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Whats this thread about?


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    #26696999 - 05/26/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

EXACTLY THAT!


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    #26697000 - 05/26/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

#birthingthatbitch is gonna be spawn those jars?

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    #26697007 - 05/26/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I see.


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    #26697021 - 05/26/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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    #26697041 - 05/26/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:tryingnottodie:


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    #26697164 - 05/26/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think I like BTB as well. Updated slang terminology for the cultivation newbie.

An example of terminology in use would be. Spawning is as easy as fuck as my balls. And I just rubbed out 20 bags of whyte gold.


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: eatyualive]
    #26697257 - 05/26/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Let's confuse mushcult 2020 :smile: why not lol

I like LA+ for those clearly leucistic A+ and it would free up AA for Avery's Albino too..


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    #26697425 - 05/26/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds good to me. And it will really fuck up the vendors. Sorry workman!


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    #26697596 - 05/26/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Tweeq,  LA+ makes sense. AA+ is a little confusing.


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    #26714997 - 06/02/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Any one got a link to ssli? I assume it means semi soft liquid innoculant?

Or is that what eats is calling ‘agar liquid cultue’?

I call it ‘Snot’. . .

Edit: also does anyone have any well referenced temperature info? ‘Room temperature’ is a bit vague and I have to heat a random space and would like to know. . . Currently 19-22°C bottom to top. . .


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    #26715029 - 06/02/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Search for Natedawgs. It is I'm his journal I believe.


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    #26762993 - 06/21/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ehh it's been almost a month and I'm borde why not bump this thread and nerd out again?

Metaeh I think that the FAE or PAE benefit is dependent o. The outside RH out the tub. So if you live in Puerto Rico you made need more Fae than if you live in Norway because your evaporation rate will be lower due to the higher humidity.


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    #26766313 - 06/21/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So, I just read through the entire thread and haven't seen PAE or AE being thrown around. That still happening or no?


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    #26766396 - 06/21/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:
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    #26767393 - 06/21/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I find that even my serious preference concerning the use of nomenclature changes. “Cube varieties” makes perfect sense, is scientifically sound, and I used it for years. Yet I find now that I want to call them lineages instead. Maybe we will one day have “heirloom lines” after everything gets crossed and OG classic cubes like AA+ and GT go functionally extinct. To me it more accurately incorporates the importance of the region as well as the specific genetics from that sample. Gives it an essence of pedigree IMO. “I’m growing some of the Rustywhyte lineage, T1 transfers are looking good.”


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    #26767671 - 06/21/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I still fully believe there are different lesser known compounds that can affect the journey one takes after consuming. If there's enough of a genetic variability in size, shape, color, there has to be something else. I could be totally wrong but I don't believe the science is as far into mushrooms as it is cannabis and they're constantly finding new cannabinoids. I just don't know why it's "a cube is a cube" instead of "yeah, maybe some of the proteins are different and can affect your trip"


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Re: 2020 Updated Cultivation Methods, Tools Technqiues [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26768058 - 06/21/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I like this thinking. Current day KSSS produces ufo cubes but back in the day it would produce the prettiest normal twisty shroom out there.
Makes me think back to the hillbilly variety lineages. What happened to that one,?


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    #26768061 - 06/21/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

A cube is a cube because they all have the same growth parameters, they all are the same species. You can cross breed all of them. Some do indeed have tendencies and potency is no exception. There has been some limited work done, a new compound was discovered last year in cubes. It’s called norpsilocin. I’m sure the actives are present in various degrees but it is important to note most of the ones we know of are either Psilocin prodrugs (Psilocybin, NorPsilocin) or extremely similar in effect according to the bioassay of those who have tried them.


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    #26768082 - 06/21/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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I like this thinking. Current day KSSS produces ufo cubes but back in the day it would produce the prettiest normal twisty shroom out there.
Makes me think back to the hillbilly variety lineages. What happened to that one,?




I believe the lore went something like: KS had three common phenos; lanky, normal and fatass (covers the bases right?) and the KSSS was developed to describe the sudden emergence of the UFOs later on. It’s almost like over selfing ended up really isolating a mutant trait at random.


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    #26768087 - 06/21/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I get what your saying, maybe I'm just grasping at straws. While I have your attention I might as well thank you for the endless work and research you publish. Your agar plates allowed me to get into agar while still feeling somewhat environmentally conscious, so thanks and keep it up! I hope to one day be half as beneficial to this community as you


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    #26770546 - 06/22/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So why pour/nopour?

They both get poured.

It seems that the main reference is sterilisation.

Why not call no-pour,  pre-pour

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    #26773628 - 06/22/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I guess it is because it is poured before the PC run.


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    #26774408 - 06/22/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I guess it is because it is poured before the PC run.



Good guess. . .

And yep PC Run = sterilisation. . .
And before = 'pre'

Making more sense. . .

And the alliteration becomes more. . .
Pre-pour pasty plates. . .
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    #26774590 - 06/22/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

For the sake of this shroom nerds thread, I agree pre-pour makes more sense than no-pour. But as long as we are being nerdy, Pre-Pc-Poured agar and Post-Pc-Poured agar makes more sense.
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    #26774603 - 06/22/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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For the sake of this shroom nerds thread, I agree pre-pour makes more sense than no-pour. But as long as we are being nerdy, Pre-Pc-Poured agar and Post-Pc-Poured agar makes more sense.
So to abbreviate, you can use PPP or PPP.




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    #26774678 - 06/22/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

But they are they same abbreviation!

Call it pC before or after.
Like PCpre and PCpost.


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For the sake of this shroom nerds thread, I agree pre-pour makes more sense than no-pour. But as long as we are being nerdy, Pre-Pc-Poured agar and Post-Pc-Poured agar makes more sense.
So to abbreviate, you can use PPP or PPP.



My brain hurts. . .
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But they are they same abbreviation!

Call it pC before or after.
Like PCpre and PCpost.



i like it. . .
I use pre-pour, and leave pour to confuse. . .


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    #26775816 - 06/23/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone else think we were going to see a mushroom nerds rope tek here?


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    #26776755 - 06/23/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What does that mean? Like mushroom rope made from dehydrated mushrooms?


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    #26776920 - 06/23/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

lol idk maybe like filling a flexible tube with sub and poking holes in it so pins can grow out. Then instead of lining the area around the shrooms with lights you could line the light with shroom rope.


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Quote:

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lol idk maybe like filling a flexible tube with sub and poking holes in it so pins can grow out. Then instead of lining the area around the shrooms with lights you could line the light with shroom rope.





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