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Switched from twist and pull to cutting and lost a few shoeboxes.
#26690698 - 05/23/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, not really happy here.
I was doing some browsing on yonder forum and ran into a debate on the best method to harvest. I was doing twist and pulls but as I started growing bigger fruits from other strains those were taking up larger chunks of sub so I figured I'd read more. I ran across RR stating slicing em off the sub is a good way to go and the myc will take the stump back.
Well, none of my shoeboxes did. My twist and pulls are on their 2nd flush and doing amazing but the shoeboxes I left stumps via cutting are completely contaminated. The stumps all turned into some brown rotting ooze and any mushrooms that grew around them started to "melt"
I used a fresh scalpel blade for every shoebox and my twist n' pulls never gave me any issue. Is cutting seriously the way to go when shit like this is the outcome? I see this issue has been debated to death but man I never expected this. The shoeboxes themselves have begun to reek like rotting mushrooms. Each shoebox is now bagged for disposal which is kinda sad but not the end of the world.
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Re: Switched from twist and pull to cutting and lost a few shoeboxes. [Re: starbones] 1
#26690712 - 05/23/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rotting mushrooms mean you probably had a bacterial contamination already in the spawn/sub. Healthy cultures will recolonize the stumps and continue producing.
If twisting and pulling is working for you run with it, but still sounds like unhealthy spawn.
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Re: Switched from twist and pull to cutting and lost a few shoeboxes. [Re: Sockadin]
#26690723 - 05/23/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Negatory on the unhealthy spawn. My oat jars were clean as a whistle and started from agar. There's been no issue with the shoeboxes until I went to cutting, perhaps bacteria took root on the damp stumps during harvest but all these jars were inoculated the same way. It can't be coincidence that the cut stumps have gone bad and the twisty shoeboxes are still fine.
Hell until the cutting these shoeboxes smelled great, produced nice healthy fruits with no blemishes. I can only assume that contamination was introduced at the stumps during harvest.
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Re: Switched from twist and pull to cutting and lost a few shoeboxes. [Re: starbones]
#26690727 - 05/23/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe it was too wet or not enough air moving?
My stumps have always just dried up.
I do try to cut them as close to the surface as possible though. I see a lot of people leaving pretty good sized stumps with no problems too but I’d go crazy leaving like 5 dry grams worth of stems on the surface.
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Re: Switched from twist and pull to cutting and lost a few shoeboxes. [Re: Sockadin]
#26690732 - 05/23/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can say that I’ve never twisted any of my mushrooms out, strictly cut them at the base and never have any issues with it. And I used the same exacto blade for agar as well. There’s no need to try to be sterile while harvesting. Like sock said, do what works for you but that sounds like you’ve got something else going on in there.
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Re: Switched from twist and pull to cutting and lost a few shoeboxes. [Re: A.k.a]
#26690741 - 05/23/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Too wet might be the problem as well as perhaps needing more FAE. The FAE I have is fine for fruiting but maybe needs to be increased for reclamation of those stumps without letting bacteria have a nice wet environment to flourish.
Will start keeping the shoeboxes cracked instead of just a loose lid and see if that helps. I will say cutting is wonderfully speedy though.
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Re: Switched from twist and pull to cutting and lost a few shoeboxes. [Re: starbones]
#26690915 - 05/23/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I almost always twist and pull cause there is a lot of meat at the base. Ease of harvest is definitely something I look for in a culture. But if they're buried deep in the sub and rip big chunks I would probably cut them. Pushing down while twisting can help prevent damage.
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Re: Switched from twist and pull to cutting and lost a few shoeboxes. [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#26690923 - 05/23/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wrapped five shoeboxes now in garbage bags so I can toss em tomorrow. I was thinking of attempting a hail mary with them by casing over them but holy fuck do they stink. Like mushrooms that are sick, pungent.
I've got monos that I cut this morning and I've cracked the lids quite a bit now here's hoping that resolves this issue by drying the surface of the stumps out. If not well.. oats are cheap.
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