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US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela
    #26690575 - 05/23/20 02:42 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Iran complains over US threat to Venezuela oil shipment
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US ‘will be IN TROUBLE’ if it makes ‘MISTAKE’ of interfering with Venezuela-bound tankers, Rouhani warns
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Iranian President Hassan Rouhani stressed that his country is not interested in escalation but would take necessary action to defend its sovereignty and safeguard its national interests.

Five tankers transporting 1.5 million barrels of Iranian fuel to Venezuela are currently near the Caribbean, with the first ship scheduled to reach the country’s territorial waters by Sunday.



Is it legal to stop other countries from doing business with each other?

I realize the United States doesn't care about international law, but just wondering if anyone knows if we have a legal right to stop it according to international law?


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26690592 - 05/23/20 02:51 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

What I wonder is, will the US sink these tankers if they refuse to stop.  Deliberatly spilling 1.5 million barrels of oil in the ocean won't thebest way to make friends.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26690622 - 05/23/20 03:04 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

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I realize the United States doesn't care about international law, but just wondering if anyone knows if we have a legal right to stop it according to international law?




Does anyone even enforce international law ?


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26690681 - 05/23/20 03:35 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

I think all countries respect international law outside the US, Israel, and possibly India.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26690864 - 05/23/20 05:27 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

Hopefully this is just one of our empty threats. It's not like they're bringing in nuclear weapons.

Is the only motive here to cripple the Venezuelan economy and mess with Iran?

Also, I see the military getting overextended. We don't have enough fleets to police all of our perceived trouble spots.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26690906 - 05/23/20 05:56 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

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Is the only motive here to cripple the Venezuelan economy and mess with Iran?



According the Deutsche Welle article, "Venezuela has one of the largest oil reserves in the world, but the country — in the midst of a severe economic crisis — is in need of gasoline and other related products."

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Also, I see the military getting overextended. We don't have enough fleets to police all of our perceived trouble spots.



Funny term, "perceived trouble spots" (I realize that's what our Government would call it).

"OH NO! The suffering in Venezuela might be reduced by Iran.  We've got to divert American money from domestic coronavirus help to ensure greater suffering on the Venezuelan people!"

I'd be curious if Trump has a position on this.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26691104 - 05/23/20 07:51 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

Bring the troops home. Not only for the general clusterfuck reasons, but also for not being spread thin. We have plenty of battle harderned personnel in the military as is.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26691129 - 05/23/20 07:58 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

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Brian Jones said:
Is the only motive here to cripple the Venezuelan economy and mess with Iran?



According the Deutsche Welle article, "Venezuela has one of the largest oil reserves in the world, but the country — in the midst of a severe economic crisis — is in need of gasoline and other related products."

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Brian Jones said:
Also, I see the military getting overextended. We don't have enough fleets to police all of our perceived trouble spots.



Funny term, "perceived trouble spots" (I realize that's what our Government would call it).

"OH NO! The suffering in Venezuela might be reduced by Iran.  We've got to divert American money from domestic coronavirus help to ensure greater suffering on the Venezuelan people!"

I'd be curious if Trump has a position on this.




I would be surprised if the whole thing isn't just Trump's position.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26691152 - 05/23/20 08:13 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

How pathetic is it that Venezuela needs oil from Iran. What a fucking shit show that country is.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: koods] * 1
    #26691295 - 05/23/20 09:40 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

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How pathetic is it that Venezuela needs oil from Iran. What a fucking shit show that country is.



According to this article:
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Venezuela is currently suffering widespread gasoline shortages, with domestic production hamstrung by US sanctions prohibiting the import of vital diluents and spare parts needed to reactivate the country’s refining capacity.



So this is the US's fault.  We are absolutely determined not to let socialism succeed, even though we're smart enough to know it isn't going to fail on it's own.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: koods]
    #26691300 - 05/23/20 09:45 PM (1 month, 12 days ago)

I sense a disturbance in the force....

the distant rumblings of the War Machine kicking into gear....also, there have been reports & rumors that the propaganda machine next door to it has be working late into the night... burning the midnight oil. ..and now big brother can spy online & offline at home and abroad with full legal impunity....

Somethings coming...  :noob:

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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: koods]
    #26692950 - 05/24/20 03:42 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

We are the ones responsible for allowing global trade, so why would 'legality' be important?
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How pathetic is it that Venezuela needs oil from Iran. What a fucking shit show that country is.



Whenever i agree with koods:puke:

Socialist nations are almost all corrupt. Corruption leads to mismanagement of resources. Even with the amount of oil, the quality of their product was uncompetitive anyway.

Communists/socialusts are worse than nazis. The nazis knew when to give up.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26693112 - 05/24/20 04:58 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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We are the ones responsible for allowing global trade, so why would 'legality' be important?



What do you mean?  We're the ones who threatened to stop it (trade between Iran and Venezuela).

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Socialist nations are almost all corrupt. Corruption leads to mismanagement of resources. Even with the amount of oil, the quality of their product was uncompetitive anyway.

Communists/socialusts are worse than nazis. The nazis knew when to give up.



I think you missed this post.  The United States is the one getting in the way of socialism.  :shrug:


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26693140 - 05/24/20 05:07 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Socialism destroid most of south america. We arent 'getting in the way of socialism' by not allowing trade.

We keep the trade routs safe in the first place. The only reason globalism exists is because we allowed it. Thats why we dont have empires.
Ive explained it many times, because most misconceptions about global issues goes back to the dismantling of empires last century


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 4
    #26693280 - 05/24/20 05:54 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Socialism destroid most of south america.



Actually, Venezuela became the richest country in Latin America under Hugo Chavez and socialism.  In order to show that socialism doesn't actually work, the US had to go in and fuck things up.

Did you ever notice we don't allow socialist countries to fail on their own?  We always have to go in and make them fail.

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We arent 'getting in the way of socialism' by not allowing trade.



Actually, we are.  If we block trade of diluents and spare parts needed to reactivate the country’s government owned refining capacity, we're clearly getting in the way.

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We keep the trade routs safe in the first place. The only reason globalism exists is because we allowed it.



But we're threatening to BLOCK trade in this case, not keep it open.  That's the opposite.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26693321 - 05/24/20 06:08 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Soyou are going to say that all of the venezualen collapse is because we purposefully caused it?
China,the largest socialist nation, has a fragile economy because of us?
Communist countries lie about their numbers. They also had geographical advantages that let them last longer despite their bad practices.

That isnt blocking 'socialism', thats blocking trade. They arent going to start refining again.
Their product wasso bad that noone wanted to buy except to prop them up for political reasons such as being other communist states.

We control trade. It doesnt matter of its immoral.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26693339 - 05/24/20 06:16 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Soyou are going to say that all of the venezualen collapse is because we purposefully caused it?



I don't recall saying ALL.  I'm sure they are impacted by coronavirus and other factors.

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China,the largest socialist nation, has a fragile economy because of us?
Communist countries lie about their numbers. They also had geographical advantages that let them last longer despite their bad practices.



I don't see what point you're trying to make here.

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That isnt blocking 'socialism', thats blocking trade.



We're blocking trade in order to hurt their socialist economy.

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They arent going to start refining again.
Their product wasso bad that noone wanted to buy except to prop them up for political reasons



Source, or make believe?

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We control trade. It doesnt matter of its immoral.



Ok.  Earlier you said this:  "We keep the trade routs safe in the first place."

That's a big change.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26693371 - 05/24/20 06:31 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

I dont understand your point. What you seem to do is take any harm we cause their economy, say how they are socialist, then overstate our involvement in destroying their economy.

We do keep trade safe. As I have said, we are.the rrason the imperial system fell and nations dont have to make and source all goods within their boreders.

You are playing with words. Us protecting trade is 'controlling' it. It doesnt mean I put any value in acting nice.
Fuck those other nations. We dont owe them anything.

I heard about Venezuela having bad oil from peter zeihan. Not sure what talk.
the world has an oil surplus. Why would people want third world oil? Why would their oil be the same quality standards as ours?


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26693441 - 05/24/20 06:59 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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I dont understand your point. What you seem to do is take any harm we cause their economy, say how they are socialist, then overstate our involvement in destroying their economy.



I told you Venezuela had the richest economy in Latin America before the US had to step in to prove socialism doesn't work.  I don't see how us destroying their economy is overstating anything?

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We do keep trade safe. As I have said, we are.the rrason the imperial system fell and nations dont have to make and source all goods within their boreders.

You are playing with words. Us protecting trade is 'controlling' it. It doesnt mean I put any value in acting nice.
Fuck those other nations. We dont owe them anything.



Ok.  That differs greatly from your original point of "we keep the trade routs safe in the first place".  I don't think Iran feels too safe shipping gas to Venezuela while the US is talking about preventing the shipment.

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I heard about Venezuela having bad oil from peter zeihan.



According to Reuters, "the quality issues stem from shortages of chemicals and equipment to properly treat and store the oil, resulting in shutdowns and slowdowns at PDVSA production facilities".  So once again, we see American involvement hurting Venezuelan oil production.  If we didn't get in the way, they just might succeed.


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Re: US Threatens Iranian Oil Shipments to Venezuela [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26693501 - 05/24/20 07:21 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

You can appear to have a functioning economy with poor fundamentals and corruption. China is an example. Communist nations do things like running factories with no demand to look productive.

We keep them safe for our allies. Not some altruistic reason

I dont think there was ever a chance they would succeed.


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