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Crazitomali1
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Panaeolus Cinctulus?
#26688970 - 05/22/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Habitat: we found these in the Horse Manure spreading area in Missouri. Its been raining the past few days.
Gills: Grey-ish , Brownish? Some of them were black. Most of the ones in the photos were grey-ish/brownish.
Stem: brownish/white-ish. extremely thin and pretty small/short.
Cap: circular, pretty brownish color pattern, almost like a pancake.
Spore print color: Black
Bruising: None
Other information: When I dried them out the gills were all black.
Please view this full gallery below. Idk why the photos are coming out so huge so i only uploaded 2 of them.
https://imgur.com/gallery/dok1ZRY
http://https://imgur.com/gallery/YTl7jZi
https://imgur.com/a/4r3R3Wr

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Moria841



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i see psathyrella
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Crazitomali1
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: Moria841]
#26689161 - 05/22/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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growing in horse dung with jet black spores?
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MpSeph
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Yeah, Those Don't Look To Be Pans, Some Psathyrella Can Look Similar To A Panaeolus Sp, But The Stem Will Be Different.
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Crazitomali1
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: MpSeph]
#26689294 - 05/22/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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can you help me figure out what it is about these that you're noticing thats pointing towards you saying what you said?
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MpSeph
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The Stems Of Psathyrella Are Whitish & Fragile, Darkening After Being Picked.
Pan. Cincts Have A Cooked Spaghetti Noodle Colored Stem.
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: MpSeph]
#26689378 - 05/22/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’m pretty sure I have some Pan cincts, would anyone here be able to idenitify if so?
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26689458 - 05/23/20 12:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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They are 100% psathyrella.
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Crazitomali1
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: SocalJosh]
#26689774 - 05/23/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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which psathyrella has spore print of absolute Jet black?
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SocalJosh
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Compare with P. corrugis
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: SocalJosh]
#26689925 - 05/23/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I researched Psathyrella corrugis for a while last night, and I actually thought so too 
Dung being the growing substrate is the only thing that threw me off.
Although Psathyrella can grow on dung too.
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: Allium]
#26689935 - 05/23/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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can those grow in missouri? It says they are california.
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Crazitomali1
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Also, i don't think you guys arent viewing my entire photos and comparing them to P. Corrugis, they dont even look alike. These look closer to P. Candolleana however the spore print on those are purple, not jet black.
Edited by Crazitomali1 (05/23/20 08:49 AM)
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SocalJosh
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There are many mushrooms with black spore prints... I would wait patiently for a TI to chime in but I can tell you with certainty that those are a Psathyrella family mushroom and nothing else.
You can believe what you want but I carefully reviewed your photos That spore print really doesn’t look entirely black to me either. Take a print on foil/white paper, mark it with a sharpie next to your print and take a photo in direct natural lighting and you will see the difference.
The splitting fragile stems as said before as the fragile cap is TEXTBOOK psathyrella.
They are so fragile they barely survive the walk to the car most of the time
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: SocalJosh]
#26690004 - 05/23/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you very much for the advice. I'll use foil and paper next time. I'm going back out there to try and search for more. Also will Pan Cinc have stronger cap and stems?
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SocalJosh
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They will be much more substantial. The stems are striated to some degree and have white sheathing at the base which sometimes stains blue. There should be small rhizomorphs still hanging on at the base. They bend and don’t really split like that.
The cap will be hygrophanous and will crack in the dry weather but won’t break so easily. They still break but not as fragile as Psathyrella.
The gills when you look very close will be mottled and look like “camo” print on the full face. There will also be very fine white white gill edge.
You should be good with that info
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: SocalJosh]
#26690034 - 05/23/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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WOW HOLY SHIT
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Crazitomali1
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Does anyone have any idea what these might be? Found them in the exact same spot. Working on a new spore print now
https://imgur.com/gallery/vxBSAP2
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Quote:
Crazitomali1 said: Does anyone have any idea what these might be? Found them in the exact same spot. Working on a new spore print now
https://imgur.com/gallery/vxBSAP2
The mottled gills seem to indicate p. cinctulus
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Re: Panaeolus Cinctulus? [Re: Moria841]
#26690609 - 05/23/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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the spore print seems black after 2 hours. going to wait 2 more hours for a deeper one ot make sure im not seeing light black or some tyupe of purple
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