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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan] 1
#26675704 - 05/16/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would suggest 4 dry grams/40 wet grams next time. But you can't go wrong with 3.5, that's just a classic spectacular dosage level.
Also mushrooms don't block serotonin, they're an agonist, which means they bind to 5HT2A and several other serotonin receptors. They may also compete with serotonin for the receptor, meaning that while they're binding they might prevent serotonin from binding (possibly). SSRIs on the other hand don't bind to serotonin receptors directly, instead they prevent the reuptake of serotonin which causes elevated serotonin levels in the body. Mushrooms don't cause elevated serotonin, they just bind to serotonin receptors.
Serotonin syndrome has nothing to do with mushrooms. It's a common misconception because serotonin syndrome can be caused by combining MDMA with SSRIs, but that's because MDMA releases a fuckton of serotonin into the body, and then SSRIs prevent its reuptake which causes an even further increase in serotonin. Mushrooms don't work like that, they just bind to the receptors and then leave the body. Serotonin levels are never elevated by mushrooms as a result.
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
#26675959 - 05/17/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd say, cruise around the same weight some before increasing it. Get to know the subtler levels.
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: Asante]
#26675984 - 05/17/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: oculodextro]
#26676054 - 05/17/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude you’ve just described what has gone wrong with the majority of trips I’ve taken this year! I had no idea it is Sativa. I’ve tripped successfully mixing in cannabis for years, but this year it has really gone downhill. Every trip where I have smoked has ended up as you described; broken brain, insane body load, and no insights or after glow. Scary thing is to combat this I have cut out cannabis; my last two trips have gone downhill just as if I had smoked cannabis.
I don’t grow anymore, relying on a dealer - a few twenty bags a week, but no idea what the twenty bag is, indica, Sativa, or both!
Taking a break to see if I can reset my brain and get back to normal tripping, and or cannabis.
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26676978 - 05/17/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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for experimental mental experiments - drop the Lexapro completely as it is part of a whole 'nother block of concepts.
in experimenting there is no place for I feel a little too nervous, or I am not comfortable with this or that. You need to jump in comfort or not.
so why Lexapro? just drop it. it is not part of the same domain, it is part of the warranty claim on your human life, but that's absurd, there is no warranty - right?!?
people get hoodwinked and get these industrial psychochemicals to shoehorn their lives into normalcy. there is no normalcy it is a scam.
that's my 2cents.
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: redgreenvines]
#26677108 - 05/17/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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100%, redgreenvines
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed]
#26677990 - 05/18/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lexapro definitely weakened the effects since 18 grams fresh should be longer lasting and bit more psychedelic of a mindstate. Don't do both like others have said. Pick your medicine and go with psilocybin, but the SSRI will take time to wean off and get out of the system completely. Don't stop them abruptly unless you recently started taking it, but still I wouldn't recommend that.
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26678189 - 05/18/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah but that is also just a reason to meditate 2 x 45 minutes a day so one is intact garden intact and so one doesn't do something to others
like with karma and things like that
with that much meditation is is like there is a warranty like you don't go to the hospital you are not violent you don't start to do more drugs things like that
some don't do that and so they do something to you with influence and karma so one meditated 2 x 45 minutes a day blasts the head with mindfulness and clarity and cleans it so one doesn't go in the wrong direction or do something big wrong
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: Ferdinando]
#26689033 - 05/22/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the replies!
For a little more background i've had back issues for 20 years, recently went to dr to get some relief as it was getting even worse and fucked it up at work to where i couldn't walk normally so at the same time they ask that 'do you have trouble enjoying things' on top of the back pain just seeing oblivious idiots everyday and other issues leave me not even wanting to go out... so figured id try some pharma drugs. I'm surprised but lexapro did help me after about a month of taking it. some say its like a all day xanax but i think it's better. doesn't knock you out..
Been on about a year but started halfin dose to 10mg a couple months ago when i start to dabble with growing. I noticed the difference and went back up but now here i am a couple months later and i'm halfing it again to see how it goes.
I tried about 30g dose but it was only 6 days after my first, I was painting and didn't really feel it as much till i sat down and relaxed. Then started reading about tolerance... Now i'm gonna wait 2 weeks.
Is it possible to up your dose already into a trip if you start low? Does it require even more?
I'm some what nervous but think i want to try every level. All i can do is read about different experiences and the way musrooms have "levels" is still a foreign concept i don't understand fully as it is with everything until i actually do it.
I really wanted my wife to try so low level but shes even parinoid about that but i got here to eat 2-3g wet. Had a big dinner and she said she felt a little weird and then kinda sick but didn't get sick. It's hard to judge her with drugs.. she used to smoke but then started freaking out and stopped. Recently gave her 1/4 of a small brownie (while im on my 3-4th) and she just couldn't relax and freaked out again. I'm hoping it's different with shrooms for her
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
#26689234 - 05/22/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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C12ShroomMan said: Is it possible to up your dose already into a trip if you start low? Does it require even more?
Sure you can but tolerance sets in after about an hour (the peak or thereabouts). If when you first decide the dose was too low you down some more (say the same amount again) it will add to the trip, but not as much as if you did the full amount in the beginning. It's hard to be sure when doing this but experience will let you know what your personal proper dose is after a while and then sticking to that will get you where you want to be, provided all else is equal (potency that is).
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26689333 - 05/22/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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People gotta want it for themselves
As for dosing, you can always do more next time
Start low and slowly work up is fine, if its too weak, take more next time
Theres levels because its different.
Higher doses the experience just isnt the same
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
#26689525 - 05/23/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It might be worth chatting to @socratesshroom on this, or other proponents of microdosing, as I believe people do benefit from pain relief by microdosing. Might be worth looking into, as a way to completely get free of the lexapro
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26722542 - 06/05/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been picking them the past 2 weeks and drying them. It seems like the 10% ratio should be around 6-7% I picked 15 grams fresh the other morning and fully dried today weighs .8
I've got 2 dry grams saved up and will probably be able to pick a couple fresh tomorrow... the fresh ones will come from my first shoebox spawned grow. The others are from my 1/2 pint cakes.. i wonder if potency will be different.
So 2 grams dry + 10-15 or so fresh from the new batch and i've been on half dose of lexapro for about 3 weeks and skipping a couple days before dosing
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
#26723241 - 06/06/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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C12ShroomMan said: I've been picking them the past 2 weeks and drying them. It seems like the 10% ratio should be around 6-7% I picked 15 grams fresh the other morning and fully dried today weighs .8
I've got 2 dry grams saved up and will probably be able to pick a couple fresh tomorrow... the fresh ones will come from my first shoebox spawned grow. The others are from my 1/2 pint cakes.. i wonder if potency will be different.
So 2 grams dry 10-15 or so fresh from the new batch and i've been on half dose of lexapro for about 3 weeks and skipping a couple days before dosing 
This is something that I too have noticed, particulalrly since I’ve started storing fresh more than dry. In order to find the strength of the fresh mushrooms, I compare the wet vs the dry weight of the dried mushrooms from the same flush; I never get 10% mushroom vs 90% water, it is always more like 94-95% water.
So what this meant the last fresh trip I had: I had saved 55 fresh grams of Mazatapec. At 94.3% water (I seem to remember), the 55g was equivalent to 3.1g dry not 5.5g dry. It makes a HUGE difference to the generally accepted 10%.
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed]
#26723311 - 06/06/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, the 10% seems to be wrong from my experience also. However, fresh are more potent with the psilocin so that kind of compensates. 55g fresh is probably a lot more intense than 3.1 or 3.5g dry, even if they were the same mushrooms.
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26723319 - 06/06/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes I’d agree with that too; that particular trip was very intense; but it was also gentle and inviting. I much prefer tripping from fresh to dry. It is a substantially different experience. DJ Ed
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: DJ Ed]
#26724121 - 06/06/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The smaller fresh ones a bit better to eat than the large ones. Cut the large one off this chode was 21g +2g dry and here we go 
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: C12ShroomMan]
#26724263 - 06/06/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you want to eat them fresh don't let the caps open up. If you make tea it's immaterial.
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#26724616 - 06/06/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If he ingested those 4hours ago, he is literally shroom man at this point
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Re: What level was i at? should i double next dose? (cubes) [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26737411 - 06/11/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: If you want to eat them fresh don't let the caps open up. If you make tea it's immaterial.
The small ones i had were more open and pretty good. This thing was just dense AF. I did a lot of chewing for that one  I'm thinking next time i will make tea. I figured eating them would be the most potency but now i don't have to worry about wasting them.
Definitely had my first trip over the weekend. Ate my 21w+2g dry around 3pm and started coming up around 340. It was a bit intense. I had some indigestion and stomach cramps from drinking night before. Made it harder to just relax but i made it through with no issue other than getting annoyed wife came home early. I did not have the same happy one with everything feelings like i did with the lower dose.
Some nice OEV, watching still images move and shift in color. Watched some west world which seemed perfect as there was some trippy animations and kinda felt my self living through a character at one point. Had to keep getting up and walking around maybe this help me stay grounded i duno. At one point around peak 2-3hr in i was staring at my hand and i was seeing the hairs move in unison and red spiraling. very cool. Medium/Heavy bodyload, I went outside and looked at my car at one point the tires looked almost flat and weirdly low. Nope not driving anytime soon
Comedown was mild,relaxing. I'm not sure if this is lvl 2 or 3. Where the tipoff point in moving up dosage is still something i don't grasp. Days after notice my mind does feel clearer and a bit less anxious overall. I'm thinking next dose around 3g dry in tea. play around with 3-5g range overtime.
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