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jimineycricket
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The Drying and Potency Debate
#26687184 - 05/22/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's the best way to dry Liberty caps or any mushrooms for that matter and lose the least amount of potency?
From poking around a few FB groups , reddit,the shroomery etc it seems the jury is still out .
Some say Dehydrator on low , other say oven is fine , others say do not use any heat in any circumstances and instead Fan dry and use desiccant , others say fan dry takes too long and oxidization will set in.
Has this debate ever been settled or are all of these methods good?
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Bedgus
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Best bet is dehydrator if you have bulk grows. Before when I didn't have a lot of fruits I would fan dry for a day and then place in a tupperware with some CaCl (bag of salts for air dehumidifier) and I didn't notice a loss in potency, although it took a very long time to dry. I've read psilocin and psilocybin degrade way over 200C (I can't find the erowid link right now, maybe someone else can link it) so if you're not deep frying them it should be fine. My knowledge of this is still limited, but so far this is what I know and would definitely like to find out more if people have some info!
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goatchild
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I did some search on this:
These might help:
This drying TEK is good IMO: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23782274#23782274
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You want to use the heat. A fan without heat will not remove all the moisture. If you're worried about the actives degrading, don't be. The temperature setting will mainly affect the drying time and the way they taste. Kizzle
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25034945#25034945
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I used to cook mine on the BBQ grill at over 1000F with 'some' loss in potency, but certainly not enough to fail to enjoy myself long before I got full. RR
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13267444#13267444
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Also people including me brew them in tea all the time caps and all. At 220F (boiling point for water) I find no loss in potency. Fuck I tripped balls last night on a nice mug of tea  Pastywhyte
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17855256#17855256
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There was a time that there was about a half ounce of dry mushrooms left on the bottom rack of the dehydrator for two weeks with the dehydrator running everyday with temps up to 165F. The resulting shrooms were then given to different individuals to try at the gram level. No one reported tripping any less than usual. The most important thing about drying your mushrooms is that you get them all the way dry, and if your storing them make sure they stay that way. george castanza
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13267472#13267472
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The actives in mushrooms don't break down until FAR past 300F. PussyFart
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17856082#17856082
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Re: The Drying and Potency Debate [Re: goatchild]
#26687252 - 05/22/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A loss of potency is more likely to come from not being dried properly or improper storage than from the heat a dehydrator produces.
Just a regular dehydrator will do. I use the 25$ ones from Walmart or wherever
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Zen999
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Minimize cell aging so the conditions that age cells are moisture light heat and oxygen. Example you don't cure weed in an oven or in sunlight. my personal opinion avoid light and heat, moisture obv kinda hard to eliminate Oxygen but atleast it'll only be affecting the outside cells of your shrooms. So in summary dark dry cool place or do what I've heard recommended on here and buy a dehydrator.
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Re: The Drying and Potency Debate [Re: Zen999] 3
#26687409 - 05/22/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Idk how this is still a debate.
The fact that people boil them for extended periods of time with no problems answers 99% of the concerns, and that’s if for some reason you’re a shroom flat earther and don’t believe the science showing the extreme temperatures needed to degrade the actives.
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mimir
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Re: The Drying and Potency Debate [Re: Zen999]
#26687411 - 05/22/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Zen999 said: Minimize cell aging so the conditions that age cells are moisture light heat and oxygen. Example you don't cure weed in an oven or in sunlight. my personal opinion avoid light and heat, moisture obv kinda hard to eliminate Oxygen but atleast it'll only be affecting the outside cells of your shrooms. So in summary dark dry cool place or do what I've heard recommended on here and buy a dehydrator.
Dead cells don't age
Edit: if you refer to the curing process when you say aging there's actually a thing called water curing for cannabis
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Re: The Drying and Potency Debate [Re: mimir]
#26687440 - 05/22/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Zen999 said: Minimize cell aging so the conditions that age cells are moisture light heat and oxygen. Example you don't cure weed in an oven or in sunlight. my personal opinion avoid light and heat, moisture obv kinda hard to eliminate Oxygen but atleast it'll only be affecting the outside cells of your shrooms. So in summary dark dry cool place or do what I've heard recommended on here and buy a dehydrator.
Weed curing is mostly important because of taste. Anyways, we aren't talking weed here and you can't just translate procedures lol. I don't think you'd go and dry meat in the same way either.
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mimir said: Dead cells don't age
Edit: if you refer to the curing process when you say aging there's actually a thing called water curing for cannabis
Neither shrooms or cannabis dies immediately on harvest tho. But that's kinda irrelevant.
And there's also a thing called dry curing for cannabis. Properly cured cannabis will taste way better than something without much thought put into that.
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The Mycologist
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When using a dehydrator you will realize that MS grows are pretty damn strong.
They are naturally pretty damn potent, every time I here bunk shrooms I basically assume bad drying technique.
I do 24 hours on max dehydrator heat, and those will last for years/decades in a sealed jar with a few desiccant packs. They look dry at 12 hours but it is important to get all that water out and push for the 24 hours. Try this and I think you will be satisfied with the potency.
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MurderFace
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I picked up a dehydrator from Goodwill for $7 to try. I wasn't sure about having heat on them or not, so I just popped the cover off and disconnected the heating element in about 3 minutes. It works perfectly for me like that.
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mimir
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Re: The Drying and Potency Debate [Re: poisoned]
#26687527 - 05/22/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I mentioned water curing since he said moisture was to avoid at all costs, if he was referring to curing
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DharmaForKarma
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It's a great question but there is no debate. Experience and science over opinion for the win, every time. Look at posts from TCs: every one (that I've seen post on the matter) uses dehydrators on high heat running for hours. Some of those folks have space, resources, deep understanding of the processes and compounds involved, and a need for the best available solution. AFAIK heated, air blown dehydrators are what they choose.
Similarly, if you don't have a dehydrator or don't want to get one, an oven on lowest setting will dry them out too, though it may take longer with limited airflow.
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A.k.a said: Idk how this is still a debate.
The fact that people boil them for extended periods of time with no problems answers 99% of the concerns, and that’s if for some reason you’re a shroom flat earther and don’t believe the science showing the extreme temperatures needed to degrade the actives.
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The Mycologist said: When using a dehydrator you will realize that MS grows are pretty damn strong.
They are naturally pretty damn potent, every time I here bunk shrooms I basically assume bad drying technique.
I do 24 hours on max dehydrator heat, and those will last for years/decades in a sealed jar with a few desiccant packs. They look dry at 12 hours but it is important to get all that water out and push for the 24 hours. Try this and I think you will be satisfied with the potency.
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Re: The Drying and Potency Debate [Re: Zen999] 2
#26687556 - 05/22/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's no debate here IMO. Dehydrator is the best way, and oven drying would be the only suitable back up. I wouldn't depend on a desiccant unless I was drying a very small amount of small non-dense fruits like libs. I do throw some desiccant in with my already dried shrooms however, cheap insurance I guess.
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Zen999 said: Minimize cell aging so the conditions that age cells are moisture light heat and oxygen. Example you don't cure weed in an oven or in sunlight. my personal opinion avoid light and heat, moisture obv kinda hard to eliminate Oxygen but atleast it'll only be affecting the outside cells of your shrooms. So in summary dark dry cool place or do what I've heard recommended on here and buy a dehydrator.
We dry/cure cannabis a certain way to retain flavor, aroma, potency and consistency for a properly burning flower. Apples and oranges dude.
With our shrooms we are concerned with retaining potency and maintaining as much potency as long as possible, that's it. We don't give a shit how our shrooms taste, smell or yadda ya. It's relatively known that moisture hurts potency in regard to long term storage and the only reasonable way I know of to get moisture out of a sizable amount of mushrooms is with dry heat = dehydrator. And if light while drying has any affect on potency it's news to me.
And like AKA said the fact that people boil shrooms to make tea is evidence enough that high heat has no effect on potency. I've always used dehydrators with no actual heat setting and let them run up to 48 hrs at times and can confirm still potent as ever.
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