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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26687156 - 05/22/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I predict u will get a couple small fruits and thats about it.

Any predictions for ya?


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Apples in Mono] * 1
    #26687157 - 05/22/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've actually done this experiment thousands of times... except I use grain.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: AtomHeart] * 1
    #26687163 - 05/22/20 03:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I predict u will get a couple small fruits and thats about it.

Any predictions for ya?




I expected about 5mg dry lol..

knowing this LC, i expected it to burn itself out fairly fast, not colonize but a yiny bit, and put out a pin or 2 which would abort

On track so far :smile:

I didnt expect the weird arial ropey root looking myc tho, thats kinda cool. Looks totally different than the same culture fueled by grain

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I've actually done this experiment thousands of times... except I use grain.




Hmmm... grain... brilliant.. now theres a paradigm shift lol :wink:


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: AtomHeart]
    #26687169 - 05/22/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I've actually done this experiment thousands of times... except I use grain.




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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26687176 - 05/22/20 03:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This site conditioned me to fear the word "experiment" in a subject line.
This is also why plain coir just never wants to contaminate, and I've found months old coir in the bottom of a bucket fresh as a daisy. Theres nothing for the bacteria/mold to chow on.
Good thread c10, good to show the noobs why we use grains to coir.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26687193 - 05/22/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think this expeiment would be very interesting with multiple species. See how long each one survived, and that the total yield was before they expired.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26687222 - 05/22/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Imagine you allowed that pin or pins to grow, took the print, inoculate another coir jar with it and on and on, do it repeatedly until you come out with a strain that colonizes aggressively all the time even when there are plenty of nutrients. Is that possible? I mean is the level of myc aggressiveness a genetic characteristic of the strain or a reaction to conditions? Or both?


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: goatchild]
    #26687250 - 05/22/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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This site conditioned me to fear the word "experiment" in a subject line.
This is also why plain coir just never wants to contaminate, and I've found months old coir in the bottom of a bucket fresh as a daisy. Theres nothing for the bacteria/mold to chow on.
Good thread c10, good to show the noobs why we use grains to coir.




Lol me too

Thats what i was thinking as well. I probably coulda done it in open air with coir that was simply hydrated or bucketed, but i figured the pc might break it down into something easier for the myc to utilize

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I think this expeiment would be very interesting with multiple species. See how long each one survived, and that the total yield was before they expired.




Baby hitler , nice to meet you, my tagline has been "literally hitler" for years lol

Yeah it might be interesting to see if other species could do more with it. I kinda suspect the moisture and limited nutes will be what bottlenecks most of them. I will honestly be suprised if dry yield is much different than the LME amount (5mg) w cubes



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Imagine you allowed that pin or pins to grow, took the print, inoculate another coir jar with it and on and on, do it repeatedly until you come out with a strain that colonizes aggressively all the time even when there are plenty of nutrients. Is that possible? I mean is the level of myc aggressiveness a genetic characteristic of the strain or a reaction to conditions? Or both?




Its kinda both. Theoretically you could probably find one that is more apt to eat it (i kinda think oysters might), but i think the nutrition is gonna be the limiting factor. Could be wrong, but doesnt seem like there is much in coir for cube myc to eat

I dont think youll ever see full colonization of coir from cube myc without enough LME or grain or something like that to power it

Another way to test this might be to use precise amounts of grain, coir, and compare the dry weight of the fruits to the dry weight of the grain

Someone who tracks BE consistently might be able to chime in with something useful here.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #26687317 - 05/22/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Socks doing brf coir cups right now.

Lol that thread you linked is the one where he was posting pictures and people pointed out grains and then the guy eventually rage quit right??

Good stuff.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26687338 - 05/22/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah a little bit different. I have a butt load of nutes from the BRF.

These are PF style with 2cup hydrated coir 1 cup BRF.



But I also wanted to point out that it may be easier to do a hydrated coir with grain soak water and PC it. That should give you fruits. I agree I don't think coir by it self had enough nutes and I agree that once the myc is done chewing on the LC it's gonna die out.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #26687371 - 05/22/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It reminds me of holding my breath through the grocery store, suspicious of everyone, trying to find the last package of Ramen.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: ModularMind] * 1
    #26687449 - 05/22/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You guys adding a little bit of this and that..
Reminds me of the story about the stone soup. :lol:


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Speeker] * 1
    #26687457 - 05/22/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm considering trying this too, just without the coir.:shrug:


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Smartattack]
    #26687479 - 05/22/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So what would you fruit on smart?


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26687554 - 05/22/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Coir.

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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Speeker]
    #26687768 - 05/22/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Coir, being mostly lignin cellulose and hemicellulose is quite deficient in N. There is no tryptamines without N.


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: ModularMind]
    #26688420 - 05/22/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It reminds me of holding my breath through the grocery store, suspicious of everyone, trying to find the last package of Ramen.




Lol perfect analogy


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26688458 - 05/22/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah a little bit different. I have a butt load of nutes from the BRF.

These are PF style with 2cup hydrated coir 1 cup BRF.



But I also wanted to point out that it may be easier to do a hydrated coir with grain soak water and PC it. That should give you fruits. I agree I don't think coir by it self had enough nutes and I agree that once the myc is done chewing on the LC it's gonna die out.




Theres coir in that container? I cant even tell :strokebeard:

Smartatteck, u going straight aeroponics? :smug:


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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26688596 - 05/22/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes lC no vermiculite straight coir and BRF!

But now I really want to do a true unmoded mono with a dry coir brick and straight grain water. I will post something soon.

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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26688630 - 05/22/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oh shit!

I always wanted to build a sensory deprivation tank, this is probably a good time especially since I finally have unlimited psychedelics.


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