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75x/13bags 1
#26686969 - 05/22/20 02:26 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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for anyone who still doesnt know, heres how I fit 13 4lb bags in my 75x:

 
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This looks like an accordion fold, have you ever run them with the fold over wrap?
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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
#26831390 - 07/18/20 09:17 PM (6 months, 3 days ago) |
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U just have to make sure that the opening is sticking upwards so that water doesnt get sucked in on cooldown and ruin your grains. It should work
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I didn’t know, thank you for informing my ass
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I think you aren't trying hard enough. You could've fit more.
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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Bernard]
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learned the hard way that this does not work so well with no prep grains! They all expanded during sterilization and the bags were soo tightly packed together, they ripped when pulling them out. And the ones that didn't rip seem to contaminate at high rates. No prep has been one pain in the bum after another...
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Do you not preseal the bags? I've tried not presealing and they all contaminated. Pretty sure those 75x suck in dirty air when they cool.
Good on you on fitting that many bags. I only get 9
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I dont preseal. I open it infront of my hood. Does yours not hold a vacuum? Ive left bags in there for a month once before inoculating them and they were fine.
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Mine will slowly bleed off the vacuum if I leave it a few days. Course when it was brand new it could hold for a week. I probably need a new stopcock.
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yeah, its the stopcock. I recently replaced all of mine, replaced the overpressure plugs, and vasalined the seals
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I need to replace my plugs for sure as well. Still the unit gets to pressure no issues still. I just need to order replacements before it all comes apart.
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I got a clogged vent during the cooldown cycle and it blew out the plug in massive graincano that spewed for about 20 min. I threw a beach towel over it to contain the mess a bit. I ordered double plugs for all my pcs when that happened so im stocked up. It was soooo messy!
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it was.. I was running it in the house too
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TedsDead said: I ordered double plugs for all my pcs when that happened so im stocked up.
Good tip. Any idea how it got clogged?
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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7] 1
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TedsDead said: I ordered double plugs for all my pcs when that happened so im stocked up.
Good tip. Any idea how it got clogged?
Probably from jamming 13 bags in it
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Lelz, good point.
I'll probably use a proper trivet when I try this, seems reasonable to think that the bags could inflate between the gaps in the wire rack and cause this kind of problem.
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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
#26948201 - 09/21/20 07:22 PM (4 months, 3 hours ago) |
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No, that was my 941... it had 16 bags in it it was probably wjen the expanded on cooldown. The burner was off and the cycle had ended. I had used the wire rack ontop instead if the aluminum spacer and I think they expanded through the wiring like u said p9hu7
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Nice! I manage to cram 12 bags in, so you win!
6x 4qt bags, 2 layers
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How long do you cook them in the PC? How big is a 75x? Ive got 2x21 QT prestos. Thanks!
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Its a 75x. I do 2 hrs at 20 psi.
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6x 4qt bags, 2 layers

Are these bags sealed? I'm trying to determine whether to fold them accordion style (maybe hold together with a couple of elastics?), or seal and then cut to inoculate, and reseal with more air inside? Thoughts?
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I dont seal them but also dont stack them like that... check pics in op
Make sure the tops of every bag is facing up(bottom layer)
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TedsDead said: the bottom bags must be pre-sealed to avoing sucking in water on cooldown the rest should be self explanatory. bags are weighed to 4lb's. I use RYE which is denser than oats and wheat so they end up being smaller and you can fit more in
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you can fit 14 in a 75x. replicate the bottom layer then put 3 bags sideways across the top and 1 on either side of the 3. I'll update with a pic once I fix my 75x
top layer like so in 75X: 
2 hrs@ 20 psi does the trick;) im literally @ sealevel BTW
great guide on g2g with these bags: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26573335
Just wanted to link all 3 of these threads for anyone in the future looking for this info.
So I'm having trouble with bags bursting/melting, and bags holding a vac after the pc.
I've been reading about said issue, and came to the conclusion that I should NOT preseal, and just fold my bags, which I do. I haven't actually tried sealing any bags yet at all. I think I need something on top of the stack of bags, currently I haven't tried anything besides cramming the bags in by themselves.
Here is my last attempt, only 1 bag on the bottom expanded past the rack and I think it touched the element.


Here is what I am doing, I just tried the tape on this last run and it seems to help. Please let me know if I am doing something wrong.
 
  
 
 
  


My bags come out mostly vac sealed, some have air in them though. They seem to suck in air over the next day or 2 sitting on the table, how can I avoid this? I read that I am not waiting long enough for my 75x to cool before opening the valve, releasing the vac it has now pulled after reaching 0 psi, and opening the lid.
From what I understand the only way to avoid this is opening the 75x after it reaches 0 psi, but before it pulls the vac, which to me doesn't seam easy.
I also noticed I did not position my bags exactly like yours on the bottom 2 layers, I will be more careful to do this next go.
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So, I apologize for the double post, but I had an aha! moment while hanging around my sterilizer waiting to drop the stopcock.
My fear in the bags not holding a vacuum after a day or 2 is invalid. The air coming into the bags breaking that solid grain lump look is filtered by the patch, its not from the top of the bag.
Meaning they still do actually have a vacuum, its just above the filter letting filtered air into the bag. I hope my assumptions are correct, someone let me know if not. I will find out in a few weeks either way.
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Are you pushing the air out of your bags before you fold them?
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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
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You know I thought I was, but this last run I have going right now I actually tamped the bags down and sort of like packed them while filling/closing them. I think this will help.
I tamp it down into the rectangle shape the bag is, align the seams, fold it once away from me with the filter facing me/ on the top, then squish all the air out and down onto the now block that is the grain in the bag. Thats basically all in one motion. After that I fold the filter facing down ontop of the block, then the rest of the bag onto itself, and tape it to hold it as shown in the pics above.
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Just after you close the bag and touch the gussets together fold the lip tight over the edge of the bag and press your weight down on the bag with your hands to push air out, then fold tightly. Place directly into the unit in such a way that it remains "sealed" and doesn't suck air back in. Obviously the filter won't allow for aan airtight situation. The air that you have after the cycle may have already been in your bag if you haven't pushed any out.
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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
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Thank you very much for the info. Can you see if my fold is correct? I don't really see how to keep a tight fold without folding around the entire block.
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Whoops, double post.
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Just look at how myers does it. Skip to 9:30, he folds a bag and presses on top which kind of seals it slightly. This removes some of the air pockets that are trapped between the grains and creates a bit of suction.
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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
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Ya his filling and squishing is basically identical to what I was doing, but a slight bit different fold however I think either way will work as long as the gussets are together before and after the sterilization
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Yeah, just a suggestion. May not be the reason why you have air in your bags but it was the first thing that came to mind.
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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
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Awesome I appreciate the help, I do think that the air was already in there as you assume.
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Quadryder said: You know I thought I was, but this last run I have going right now I actually tamped the bags down and sort of like packed them while filling/closing them. I think this will help.
I tamp it down into the rectangle shape the bag is, align the seams, fold it once away from me with the filter facing me/ on the top, then squish all the air out and down onto the now block that is the grain in the bag. Thats basically all in one motion. After that I fold the filter facing down ontop of the block, then the rest of the bag onto itself, and tape it to hold it as shown in the pics above.
I've also just started doing this, and found it to work well.
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it worked
tamp down the bags a bit to make the block more uniform and solid squeeze all the air out fold the correct way success
I also added the presto's trivet, and a dinner plate ontop of all the bags, only if there is room.
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I've been doing 4 x 4 lb bags in my presto 23. You?
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What size of bags and how much grain you got in em Ted?
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Those are the 3T bags with 4 qts of rye in them. They usually come out weighing a bit over 4 lbs
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Weight means little to me, was more curious if they were the 8x5x19 ones from unicorn or some smaller size.
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No, theyre the 8x5x19's.
Ive been fruiting in these 45qt tubs so 4 qts is plenty of spawn. The do fine in the 56qt too
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I use 4 quarts in my 66 quarts as well, no issues there.
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Nope, check the tub i posted in potd today
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I use the 14A 8″X5″X19″ 2.2mil PP Filter: A 1.5″X1.5″ 0.5 micron same 4 lbs in each
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Quadryder said: You know I thought I was, but this last run I have going right now I actually tamped the bags down and sort of like packed them while filling/closing them. I think this will help.
I tamp it down into the rectangle shape the bag is, align the seams, fold it once away from me with the filter facing me/ on the top, then squish all the air out and down onto the now block that is the grain in the bag. Thats basically all in one motion. After that I fold the filter facing down ontop of the block, then the rest of the bag onto itself, and tape it to hold it as shown in the pics above.
When you do this, are you folding the bag over top of the filter, or does the filter need to be unimpeded to manage any accumulated pressure in the bag? It's hard to tell form the photos.... Cheers.
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I've recently started cramming a couple extra bags in there Ted! I follow this tek to get 13 - 4 lb bags, but then I can fit 2 - 2 lb bags on the bottom two layers for 15 bags total!

I like having those extra 2 lb bags to inoculate like so: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27088090
and then expanding using: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27138762/page/1
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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: DigDug]
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More, Don't listen to digdug. You're not anyone till you get some tarnish on that shiny PC.
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Hey Ted!
Thx again for showing this stacking strategy. However, I am only able to get 10 bags in when doing 4 pound bags of hydrated oats.
I know you said you do rye, does that account for the difference you think? Have you done the same amount of bags with oats?
Might it just be the hydration level of your grains vs mine? Or does rye vs oats make THAT much of a size difference?
How do you prep your grain currently that you can fit that much in there?
As it stands these 10 bags are right up to the top rim. I might switch to rye if for no other reason than I could do 6 more bags per cycle between my two 75x's...
Thanks for any input/thoughts!
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You gotta really squeeze them in to make 13 work but you might be able to fit 3 more on top of that if you get them flat and add a metal rack to it. Sometimes I gotta sit on my lid to make it all fit haha
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Ya, rye is waaay more dense than oats. I use volume not weight to fill my bags. I use 4 qts which is usually a bit over 4 lbs but I dont weigh every one.
By the pic it looks like your pretty close. U gotta work a bit to get the lid on with the other 3 bags. Lately ive been doing 10 in each cooker just because 1 #50 bag makes 20 bags for me but when I had just 1 75x i used this method every time.
Lol, ya... i always had to sit on the lid or have a friend help me close it
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mind.at.large said: You gotta really squeeze them in to make 13 work
Oh they are squeezed lol, they are so squeezed that I had thoughts of bursting like a pimple when I go to take them out... I had to muster up some of my manliness reserves to push things into place.
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TedsDead said: Ya, rye is waaay more dense than oats. I use volume not weight to fill my bags. I use 4 qts which is usually a bit over 4 lbs but I dont weigh every one.
By the pic it looks like your pretty close. U gotta work a bit to get the lid on with the other 3 bags. Lately ive been doing 10 in each cooker just because 1 #50 bag makes 20 bags for me but when I had just 1 75x i used this method every time.
Lol, ya... i always had to sit on the lid or have a friend help me close it
NOTED! THX!
I will take a look around my area and see if I can find some rye for when I run out of these last 10 bags of oats. Done lots of grain types but never ran into cost effective rye options in my area. However you are right, 10 bags in each cooker is a nice way to keep the math simple and knock out one 50 pound bag of grain per cycle which is what I am currently squeezing in with oats, but I would like to give rye a whirl.
Any other characteristics you like about/prefer rye for besides density? How are the hulls compared to oats' semi-bullet proof ones? How about the water retention/absorption level comparing it to oats as well?
FYI even at 10 bags vs 13 it's still more than I've ever packed in there before so it's a winner regardless. Thanks again!
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