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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
    #26948201 - 09/21/20 07:22 PM (4 months, 3 hours ago)

No,  that was my 941... it had 16 bags in it:lol:    it was probably wjen the expanded on cooldown.  The burner was off and the cycle had ended.  I had used the wire rack ontop instead if the aluminum spacer and I think they expanded through the wiring like u said p9hu7


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: TedsDead]
    #26954549 - 09/25/20 04:06 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Nice! I manage to cram 12 bags in, so you win!

6x 4qt bags, 2 layers



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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: TedsDead]
    #26964747 - 10/01/20 10:51 PM (3 months, 20 days ago)

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for anyone who still doesnt know, heres how I fit 13  4lb bags in my 75x:










How long do you cook them in the PC?  How big is a 75x?  Ive got 2x21 QT prestos.  Thanks!


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #26964943 - 10/02/20 12:44 AM (3 months, 20 days ago)

Its a 75x.  I do 2 hrs at 20 psi.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26968227 - 10/03/20 10:57 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Nice! I manage to cram 12 bags in, so you win!

6x 4qt bags, 2 layers







Are these bags sealed? I'm trying to determine whether to fold them accordion style (maybe hold together with a couple of elastics?), or seal and then cut to inoculate, and reseal with more air inside?
Thoughts?

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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #26968240 - 10/03/20 11:10 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

I dont seal them but also dont stack them like that... check pics in op


Make sure the tops of every bag is facing up(bottom layer)


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: TedsDead]
    #26968364 - 10/04/20 12:49 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

Thank you


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #27019679 - 11/03/20 05:07 PM (2 months, 19 days ago)

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the bottom bags must be pre-sealed to avoing sucking in water on cooldown the rest should be self explanatory. bags are  weighed to 4lb's. I use RYE which is denser than oats and wheat so they end up being smaller and you can fit more in

Before:


After: 



:cheers:

you can fit 14 in a 75x. replicate the bottom layer then put 3 bags sideways across the top and 1 on either side of the 3.  I'll update with a pic once I fix my 75x

top layer like so in 75X: 

2 hrs@ 20 psi does the trick;)  im literally @ sealevel BTW








great guide on g2g with these bags:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26573335

Just wanted to link all 3 of these threads for anyone in the future looking for this info.





So I'm having trouble with bags bursting/melting, and bags holding a vac after the pc.

I've been reading about said issue, and came to the conclusion that I should NOT preseal, and just fold my bags, which I do. I haven't actually tried sealing any bags yet at all.
I think I need something on top of the stack of bags, currently I haven't tried anything besides cramming the bags in by themselves.

Here is my last attempt, only 1 bag on the bottom expanded past the rack and I think it touched the element.



Here is what I am doing, I just tried the tape on this last run and it seems to help. Please let me know if I am doing something wrong.















My bags come out mostly vac sealed, some have air in them though.
They seem to suck in air over the next day or 2 sitting on the table, how can I avoid this? I read that I am not waiting long enough for my 75x to cool before opening the valve, releasing the vac it has now pulled after reaching 0 psi, and opening the lid.

From what I understand the only way to avoid this is opening the 75x after it reaches 0 psi, but before it pulls the vac, which to me doesn't seam easy.


I also noticed I did not position my bags exactly like yours on the bottom 2 layers, I will be more careful to do this next go.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Quadryder]
    #27020103 - 11/03/20 09:33 PM (2 months, 19 days ago)

So, I apologize for the double post, but I had an aha! moment while hanging around my sterilizer waiting to drop the stopcock.

My fear in the bags not holding a vacuum after a day or 2 is invalid.
The air coming into the bags breaking that solid grain lump look is filtered by the patch, its not from the top of the bag.

Meaning they still do actually have a vacuum, its just above the filter letting filtered air into the bag.
I hope my assumptions are correct, someone let me know if not. I will find out in a few weeks either way.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Quadryder]
    #27020108 - 11/03/20 09:35 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Are you pushing the air out of your bags before you fold them?


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
    #27020171 - 11/03/20 09:55 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

You know I thought I was, but this last run I have going right now I actually tamped the bags down and sort of like packed them while filling/closing them.
I think this will help.

I tamp it down into the rectangle shape the bag is, align the seams, fold it once away from me with the filter facing me/ on the top, then squish all the air out and down onto the now block that is the grain in the bag.
Thats basically all in one motion.
After that I fold the filter facing down ontop of the block, then the rest of the bag onto itself, and tape it to hold it as shown in the pics above.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Quadryder] * 1
    #27020201 - 11/03/20 10:07 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Just after you close the bag and touch the gussets together fold the lip tight over the edge of the bag and press your weight down on the bag with your hands to push air out, then fold tightly. Place directly into the unit in such a way that it remains "sealed" and doesn't suck air back in. Obviously the filter won't allow for aan airtight situation. The air that you have after the cycle may have already been in your bag if you haven't pushed any out.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
    #27020214 - 11/03/20 10:17 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Thank you very much for the info. Can you see if my fold is correct?
I don't really see how to keep a tight fold without folding around the entire block.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Quadryder]
    #27020219 - 11/03/20 10:20 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Whoops, double post.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Quadryder]
    #27020222 - 11/03/20 10:21 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Just look at how myers does it. Skip to 9:30, he folds a bag and presses on top which kind of seals it slightly. This removes some of the air pockets that are trapped between the grains and creates a bit of suction.



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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
    #27020255 - 11/03/20 10:35 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Ya his filling and squishing is basically identical to what I was doing, but a slight bit different fold
however I think either way will work as long as the gussets are together before and after the sterilization


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Quadryder]
    #27020257 - 11/03/20 10:38 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Yeah, just a suggestion. May not be the reason why you have air in your bags but it was the first thing that came to mind.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: p9hu7]
    #27020267 - 11/03/20 10:41 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Awesome I appreciate the help, I do think that the air was already in there as you assume.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Quadryder]
    #27020497 - 11/04/20 01:17 AM (2 months, 18 days ago)

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You know I thought I was, but this last run I have going right now I actually tamped the bags down and sort of like packed them while filling/closing them.
I think this will help.

I tamp it down into the rectangle shape the bag is, align the seams, fold it once away from me with the filter facing me/ on the top, then squish all the air out and down onto the now block that is the grain in the bag.
Thats basically all in one motion.
After that I fold the filter facing down ontop of the block, then the rest of the bag onto itself, and tape it to hold it as shown in the pics above.





I've also just started doing this, and found it to work well.


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Re: 75x/13bags [Re: Rumpleforeskin]
    #27021956 - 11/04/20 07:35 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

it worked

tamp down the bags a bit to make the block more uniform and solid
squeeze all the air out
fold the correct way
success

I also added the presto's trivet, and a dinner plate ontop of all the bags, only if there is room.


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