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#26686858 - 05/21/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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so exactly how nutritious is coir? Can it support fruits without grain?
I saw someone do this a few months ago but they used grain so it kinda defeated the purpose. Figured id see what happened, not expecting much
So i took a pint jar, filled it with field cap coir, sterilized it, and injected exactly 3ml of FULLY colonized, rhizo burma LC
The 3ml of LC initially contained exactly .005g (5mg) of LME, all of which was eaten by the myc before inoculation
Did this about 2 mo ago, growh was super slow and so rhizo that it looks like plant roots. Never fully colonized, but finally have at least one invitro pin
I suspect most of this was fueled by the LC, but its quite interesting the way the myc developed into rootlike structures (which the pin is growing out of), and lots of aerial myc thats hard to see in the pics. The structure w the pin growing out of it is aerial, not attached to the glass, and well above the substrate
Anyway, just thought i would share, since others may find this interesting
 
I wonder if more water would make it grow more..
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#26686936 - 05/22/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That myc looks like its so focused on finding nutes its in laser focus mode. Crazy
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26686962 - 05/22/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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c10h12n2o said: so exactly how nutritious is coir? Can it support fruits without grain?
I saw someone do this a few months ago but they used grain...
Sorry, I couldn't help but find that shit hilarious af. I spit a little wine out as I was reading it
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Apples in Mono]
#26686986 - 05/22/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Smartattack said: That myc looks like its so focused on finding nutes its in laser focus mode. Crazy
I thought so too. I wonder what it would do w more fae and water?
Im really curious to see what the fruit weighs dry, compared to the 5mg of LME in the LC
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c10h12n2o said: so exactly how nutritious is coir? Can it support fruits without grain?
I saw someone do this a few months ago but they used grain...
Sorry, I couldn't help but find that shit hilarious af. I spit a little wine out as I was reading it
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Apples in Mono]
#26686988 - 05/22/20 12:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Apples in Mono said:
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c10h12n2o said: so exactly how nutritious is coir? Can it support fruits without grain?
I saw someone do this a few months ago but they used grain...
Sorry, I couldn't help but find that shit hilarious af. I spit a little wine out as I was reading it
Its like...someone did something , but they actually didn't do it?
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Smartattack]
#26686999 - 05/22/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Apples in Mono said:
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c10h12n2o said: so exactly how nutritious is coir? Can it support fruits without grain?
I saw someone do this a few months ago but they used grain...
Sorry, I couldn't help but find that shit hilarious af. I spit a little wine out as I was reading it
Its like...someone did something , but they actually didn't do it?
It's like I have no idea what they did. The only thing I know is they used grain
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Apples in Mono]
#26687013 - 05/22/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is the thread i was referring to. They used agar and grain, w coir on top. And linked to another similar one
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26494829/fpart/all/vc/1
Just to be clear i didnt expect anything at all here, at least not more than could be fueled by 5mg LME , i just wanted to see what would happen and if it could fruit at all, and if the dry fruit would outweigh the 5mg LME
Nothing practical or revolutionary lol, just satisfying a curiosity and sharing the laser myc pics
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26687018 - 05/22/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cool experiment 
I see a lil pin there. It must be working
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26687036 - 05/22/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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How about another experiment but with manure??
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: 7even] 1
#26687038 - 05/22/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dilaudid said: How about another experiment but with manure??
I think that one has been confirmed in nature many times over haha
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26687052 - 05/22/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I kinda feel like people think I'm making fun of the thread. Definitely not. It was just funny how that read. I had no more information to begin with than the title of the post so it was like "what happens with COIR ONLY(no grain)' Then the post was like "I saw another dude try this, except he used GRAIN"(CUE MY LAUGHTER).
That's all. As I kept reading I picked up the rest.
Cool fuckin mycelium-on-the-hunt pictures
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Apples in Mono] 3
#26687058 - 05/22/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Naw mane, you got it, im glad my attempt to be funny didnt go totally unlaughed at
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#26687076 - 05/22/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mane, you gotta try summa this cheap wine I'm drinkin.
Edit:You really don't tho
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26687083 - 05/22/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was thinking of expanding your idea in the future and doing coir mixed with some BRF
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#26687087 - 05/22/20 02:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I was thinking of expanding your idea in the future and doing coir mixed with some BRF
God dammit.
I can't tell if that's a joke
Or if it's brilliant
Or both
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Apples in Mono] 2
#26687108 - 05/22/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Next bring coir to field capacity using LC and top with a dry rice flower filter.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26687112 - 05/22/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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hold up are we talking coir jars? using the structure of the coir to hold the nutes? I feel like that might be good for stone producers, but that's pure conjecture from my very limited experience
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: sabinastreasure] 1
#26687131 - 05/22/20 02:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I was thinking of expanding your idea in the future and doing coir mixed with some BRF 
Im pretty sure that would work fine for bottle tek, muda used a coir based recipe sometimes
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ModularMind said: Next bring coir to field capacity using LC and top with a dry rice flower filter.
That would work, especially w a nutrient rich lc
W my experiment i wasnt trying to acheive a practical way to grow anything tho, i knew it wouldnt get far or fully colonize, i just wanted to see how far it could stretch those 5mg of LME
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Would probably work, but I think straw would probably work better for something like that. And grain even better lol
Stones are so dense i think they benefit a lot from high nutes
I just wanted to see what, desperate, starving, malnourished myc could do on coir haha
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26687146 - 05/22/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It really is awesome how it'll form those thick strands when it's searching for nutrients. I wonder if we could maximize the length and thickness of a single rope of desperately seeking mycelium in a long bag or something. With the right inoculant and the right substrate and moisture
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Apples in Mono]
#26687147 - 05/22/20 03:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats along the same lines as what i was thinking... nothing practical, just curiosity.
I also wonder if its looking for fresh air
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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I predict u will get a couple small fruits and thats about it.
Any predictions for ya?
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Apples in Mono] 1
#26687157 - 05/22/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've actually done this experiment thousands of times... except I use grain.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: AtomHeart] 1
#26687163 - 05/22/20 03:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I predict u will get a couple small fruits and thats about it.
Any predictions for ya?
I expected about 5mg dry lol..
knowing this LC, i expected it to burn itself out fairly fast, not colonize but a yiny bit, and put out a pin or 2 which would abort
On track so far 
I didnt expect the weird arial ropey root looking myc tho, thats kinda cool. Looks totally different than the same culture fueled by grain
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Hmmm... grain... brilliant.. now theres a paradigm shift lol
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: AtomHeart]
#26687169 - 05/22/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26687176 - 05/22/20 03:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This site conditioned me to fear the word "experiment" in a subject line. This is also why plain coir just never wants to contaminate, and I've found months old coir in the bottom of a bucket fresh as a daisy. Theres nothing for the bacteria/mold to chow on. Good thread c10, good to show the noobs why we use grains to coir.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26687193 - 05/22/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think this expeiment would be very interesting with multiple species. See how long each one survived, and that the total yield was before they expired.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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Imagine you allowed that pin or pins to grow, took the print, inoculate another coir jar with it and on and on, do it repeatedly until you come out with a strain that colonizes aggressively all the time even when there are plenty of nutrients. Is that possible? I mean is the level of myc aggressiveness a genetic characteristic of the strain or a reaction to conditions? Or both?
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: goatchild]
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ManifoldPrime said: This site conditioned me to fear the word "experiment" in a subject line. This is also why plain coir just never wants to contaminate, and I've found months old coir in the bottom of a bucket fresh as a daisy. Theres nothing for the bacteria/mold to chow on. Good thread c10, good to show the noobs why we use grains to coir.
Lol me too
Thats what i was thinking as well. I probably coulda done it in open air with coir that was simply hydrated or bucketed, but i figured the pc might break it down into something easier for the myc to utilize
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Baby hitler , nice to meet you, my tagline has been "literally hitler" for years lol
Yeah it might be interesting to see if other species could do more with it. I kinda suspect the moisture and limited nutes will be what bottlenecks most of them. I will honestly be suprised if dry yield is much different than the LME amount (5mg) w cubes
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Its kinda both. Theoretically you could probably find one that is more apt to eat it (i kinda think oysters might), but i think the nutrition is gonna be the limiting factor. Could be wrong, but doesnt seem like there is much in coir for cube myc to eat
I dont think youll ever see full colonization of coir from cube myc without enough LME or grain or something like that to power it
Another way to test this might be to use precise amounts of grain, coir, and compare the dry weight of the fruits to the dry weight of the grain
Someone who tracks BE consistently might be able to chime in with something useful here.
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#26687317 - 05/22/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Socks doing brf coir cups right now.
Lol that thread you linked is the one where he was posting pictures and people pointed out grains and then the guy eventually rage quit right??
Good stuff.
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Yeah a little bit different. I have a butt load of nutes from the BRF.
These are PF style with 2cup hydrated coir 1 cup BRF.

But I also wanted to point out that it may be easier to do a hydrated coir with grain soak water and PC it. That should give you fruits. I agree I don't think coir by it self had enough nutes and I agree that once the myc is done chewing on the LC it's gonna die out.
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It reminds me of holding my breath through the grocery store, suspicious of everyone, trying to find the last package of Ramen.
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You guys adding a little bit of this and that.. Reminds me of the story about the stone soup.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Speeker] 1
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I'm considering trying this too, just without the coir.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Smartattack]
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So what would you fruit on smart?
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
#26687554 - 05/22/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Coir.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Speeker]
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Coir, being mostly lignin cellulose and hemicellulose is quite deficient in N. There is no tryptamines without N.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: ModularMind]
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Lol perfect analogy
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: Yeah a little bit different. I have a butt load of nutes from the BRF.
These are PF style with 2cup hydrated coir 1 cup BRF.

But I also wanted to point out that it may be easier to do a hydrated coir with grain soak water and PC it. That should give you fruits. I agree I don't think coir by it self had enough nutes and I agree that once the myc is done chewing on the LC it's gonna die out.
Theres coir in that container? I cant even tell 
Smartatteck, u going straight aeroponics?
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#26688596 - 05/22/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes lC no vermiculite straight coir and BRF!
But now I really want to do a true unmoded mono with a dry coir brick and straight grain water. I will post something soon.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26688630 - 05/22/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh shit!
I always wanted to build a sensory deprivation tank, this is probably a good time especially since I finally have unlimited psychedelics.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: A.k.a]
#26688640 - 05/22/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I thought about dumping shit loads of salt in it. But alas we are thread jacking C10..
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: A.k.a]
#26688645 - 05/22/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I heard they are pretty spendy, the prebuilt ones at least. Maybe if you got a kiddy pool
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26688654 - 05/22/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh no I'm broke this is a 34 dollar kids pool that is 8ft long by 5 ft wide by 25 inch deep. I just quit my job so, money is tight, but it hold like 500 gallons I'm guessing.
But yes *cough*cough* back to the OP. I'm thinkit dry coir block in a mono with straight super heated grain water dumped on top. Drop a few wedges when it is all mixed together and Bam! We fruit some mold!
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26688663 - 05/22/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol i kept an aligator gar in a kiddie pool in my back yard for a while
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26688664 - 05/22/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have around 80 coir/BRF cakes at the moment, making more tonight  Hell I probably wouldn't be able to afford working with vermiculite for this project, costs a fortune compared to coir 

And I dig the experiment c10
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26688677 - 05/22/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also this is what my coir says on the packaging, it definitely contains nutrients but I don't have a good understanding of what amounts mushrooms and plants live off so these numbers don't say anything to me at least but this info may be useful for someone..
 
To me 60mg Nitrogen/L seems like a fair amount? Seems like alot more than 5mg malt which was used in this experiment?
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26688697 - 05/22/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oooo interesting, good info. I figure the dry weight ought to let us know something
I wonder if that means supplemented w nutrients tho?
For my next experiment, im gonna try to train cube myc to eat my enemies alive
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26688718 - 05/22/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dead would be easier. It might work!
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26688740 - 05/22/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Could be more useful now during covid. Already told my power of attorney that how I want to go,!
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26688754 - 05/22/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice 
Maybe im crazy, but is weaponized carnivorous hallucinogenic fungi really that much to ask?
(Obviously joking, for any glow in the dark mofos reading)
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Mateja]
#26688791 - 05/22/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn, nice Mataeh! Did you PC those jars or steam sterilize?
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26688834 - 05/22/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Eat has probably had carnivorous cube myc for like 20yrs lol
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26688859 - 05/22/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Damn, nice Mataeh! Did you PC those jars or steam sterilize?
I'm never 100% sure but I definitely attempted to pressure sterilize them in the Presto at 18 PSI but funny you ask that, I'm thinking about making a Tek where I make agar, LC and grow cakes in water tubs, no electricity nor pressure cooker needed in any of the steps and you still get the work done using clean agar clone cultures
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Mateja]
#26689021 - 05/22/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Be interested to see how that plays out. Meteah can you elaborate? I'm always interested when you start experimenting.
Remember that scene from Dark Knight when the joker says "What would I do without you? You complete me."
That's me and Meteah, except im starting to think he might be the joker.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
#26689221 - 05/22/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
#26690332 - 05/23/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Be interested to see how that plays out. Meteah can you elaborate? I'm always interested when you start experimenting.
Remember that scene from Dark Knight when the joker says "What would I do without you? You complete me."
That's me and Meteah, except im starting to think he might be the joker.

Well I basically have this idea that it should be possible and easy enough to cultivate cubes (for one's own medical purposes for example) if if you're homeless at the moment or living in your car. Steam sterilizing BRF jars and Agar over open fire and fruiting in water tubs. Obviously the simpler 'no pour agar' will be implemented in this case so that's pretty much it. How to cultivate methodically without electricity or pressure cooker  Just gonna have to find a nice spot to do everything at (outside of course) and then I'll do the writeup. I'm all about making mushrooms excessible to everyone and to demonstrate how easy and maintenence free it can be.
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#26695306 - 05/25/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Update:
Fruit definitely surpassed 5mg dry lol
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#26695312 - 05/25/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That’s awesome!
Some weird looking myc too.
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#26695314 - 05/25/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very weird!
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] 2
#26699879 - 05/27/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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UPDATE:

So the fruit matured, dry weighed about 100x the 5mg of mea used, so its clearly getting at least some nutrition from the coir!
The myc looks weird af, it felt like plant roots attached to the fruit
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26699903 - 05/27/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder if potency is affected.
And if you’ll get a “second flush” lol.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26700123 - 05/27/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It works! How bout that!

Also, my predicition was close with "a couple small fruits". Looks like it was one medium sized one
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26700311 - 05/27/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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i cant get over the morphology of the myc! it is like plant roots
i gave it a bit of water at harvest 
maybe ill try to grow on a coir door mat haha
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#26700340 - 05/27/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's awesome. Think about it. When Psilocybe Cubensis fruits in nature it is a few spores and a couple of clamp connections and boom fruit because of evaporation.
This follows the same path My Grain-less Coir grow is still healthy so far 2 days in and I got clean agar growth on the sub.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
#26700345 - 05/27/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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nice whatd you inoc with?
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#26700354 - 05/27/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Experiments succeeding all over the place around here. Time for a mono.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Smartattack]
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God damn, those are some hardcore strands of mycelium
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26700675 - 05/28/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The plant-like root mycelium strands are a trip! I never would have guessed it would grow like that
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26700982 - 05/28/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Toc AGAR plate. Made a bunch of punches for more inoculation points and then ended up dumping the whole plate in the tub. Hoping the Mycelium colonizes the top of the tub before the mean green sets in.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
#26740784 - 06/12/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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flush #2 coming in
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26741208 - 06/13/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol I was dumping out old lc last week to make new ones and remembered this so I dumped one into some coir. Nothing grew but the lc was like 6 months old and sitting around in 80+ temps.
That’s a long time between flushes but I guess it’s gotta do a lot of work to collect enough nutrients.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: A.k.a]
#26742227 - 06/13/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah for sure. In my case, i only used 3cc of lc, which contained exactly 5mg of LME
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26751849 - 06/17/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Update:
2nd flush weighed 4.7g wet
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26751850 - 06/17/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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What?!
That’s impressive. You gonna let it try for three?
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: A.k.a]
#26751862 - 06/17/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah im surprised!
Why not? 
Its already put out dry weight of about 200x the dry weight of the LME used in the lc (5mg), so i think it more than confirms yhay coir is nutritious enough to provide the majority of the nutrition required to fruit (which is a surprise to me)
Ofc its far from ideal, the same jar with grain would have probably put out a half ounce by now. Probably same if i used more LME too (rather than the bare minimum i used in the lc). But it does seem to be getting its nutrition from somewhere besides the 5mg lme in the lc
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26751906 - 06/17/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont think it's argued that coir has no nutrition, but that it has very little: which seems to be confirmed here, cool... it DID fruit, but it did NOT fruit well... neat experiment, but only confirms the need for additional nutrition for economical (time and space mostly) results
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Caps McGee]
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Caps McGee said: I dont think it's argued that coir has no nutrition, but that it has very little: which seems to be confirmed here, cool... it DID fruit, but it did NOT fruit well... neat experiment
There are tons of people that say "coir is not nutritious and all of the nutrition is supplied by the grain"
My experiment wasnt intended to prove anything, definitely not that coir can support prolific fruiting without grain
As stated in the original post, my goal was go determine HOW nutritious it is, by comparing the fruit output to the LME used
Definitely wasnt attempting to show that coir could support prolific fruiting alone or that grain wasnt needed for efficient grows (im dumb but not that dumb lol)
Whole point was to figure out how much of a fruits nutrition is supplied by coir vs grain, in an environment where there is very little grain (5mg LME)
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only confirms the need for additional nutrition for economical (time and space mostly) results
Well yeah we already knew that, the experiment wasnt designed to show otherwise. It also confirmed that water is required for myc to grow lol..
what i was investigating is how much fruit development beyond the weight of grain (LME) and water could be supported by coir alone. And the answer appears to be at least 200x the weight of LME, which is WAY more than i would have guessed
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26752010 - 06/17/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not sure its literal: the idea that anything organic completely lacks nutrition is off base I think... may not be highly accessible, like with raw veggies high in fiber (cellulose) which is likely a better representation of what's going on with the coir... the little nutrition that is present is much more efficiently utilized by shiitake, which takes a full 7 weeks to consolidate prior to fruiting... you can really start to notice a difference on consistency after the shiitake have their way with the coir (after cubensis has run its course) so it undoubtedly is being consumed by the fungus... grain is cooked and much more accessible, and like most organisms, fungus will be lazy if it has the option... a more accurate description would likely be
"The culture utilizes the much easier accessed and abundant nutrition of the grain for sustenance, and the water retaining abilities of the comparably non(more complex, less accessible)-nutritious coir for supporting growth(osmotic pressure and all that)
That's a bold statement based on one test with one quantity of LME: I would continue the experiment with increasing amounts of LME to see if it increases yield, and also try and inoculate the coir using far less innoculant, perhaps even Josex' poke method, in order to simulate a truly "coir only" scenario... maybe even Rey it with coir of differing hydration levels to see if simply increasing water volume raises yield
If I'm understanding the purpose behind the experiment to expose exactly how nutritious coir is vs its contribution by sheer water volume, I'd consider this a fair start but incomplete as a trial... one result is A data point, in ONE set of conditions... hardly concrete
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"The culture utilizes the much easier accessed and abundant nutrition of the grain for sustenance, and the water retaining abilities of the comparably non(more complex, less accessible)-nutritious coir for supporting growth(osmotic pressure and all that)
Yeah definitely, thats what i was thinking as well.
Im not making any claims here. Beyond that coir contributed the vast majority of the dry weight in this particular circumstance (Unless im missing something about mycs growth cycle which involves turning large numbers of h2o molecules into dry weight, which im not ruling out). Was just curious how far beyond the weight of the grain and water dry the dry weight could go from only coir
in my experiment (with its obviously limited sample size), over 200x the dry weight of the lme was produced in dry fruits. Thats minus the weight of the water.
This is much more than i was expecting. Especially when you consider the average yields of monotubs, around 1 to 2 oz (56g) dry per myco quart of spawn (170g or 6oz dry rye weight per myco quart), or 0.16 times the dry grain weight. To put that in perspective, if a bulk grow produced 200x (dry) the weight of the grain being used, youd be looking at over 1200 dry ounces per quart of spawn (lol). Ofc that would have to involve a spawn ratio of at least 100lb of coir per myco quart (double lol) , and 3.54 fucktons of water.
So dont mistake what im saying here, im just suprised by the ratio of dry fruit to grain, since its so far above what we see from bulk grows
Could you clarify a bit on your suggestions? I am confused on a few points
1. What would be the point of increasing the grain content? Dont we do that in bulk grows every day, and arent we pretty familiar with grain to dry yield ratios in a bulk setting?
2. Less inoculant would be interesting, but based on the myc morphology id be very suprised if it did much at all with even less food to support the inital growth. It grew these weird ropey rootlike structures with no typical fuzzy myc at all. I am curious to see whatll happen tho, i will give that a try
3. Im confused by the water recommendation since all my math assumes dry weights. Ofc too little water will cause no/poor fruiting, and ofc too much will limit fruiting as well. Are you suggesting that more or less water might result in more (or less) than 200x the dry grain weight in dry fruits? What exactly would that show us about what percentage of fruits dry weight comes from grain in an environment with almost no grain? Or would that be investigating a different question?
Thanks for the feedback btw
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26753391 - 06/18/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: I'm not sure its literal: the idea that anything organic completely lacks nutrition is off base I think...
In Norway at least the specific definition of 'organic' food is that the soil you grow in has been thoroughly flushed for at least 5 years from all artificial fertilizers and stuff before you start growing food from it. It has nothing to do with nutrition 
Also some coir (like the one I use) has added nutrients in it and on the backside of the package is listed the specifications on the nutes like the one I posted here a few weeks ago. This experiment is interesting, here are some more pics of another thing hopefully OP might extract something useful from this as well.
Anyway this is from a LC experiment I did and this sample in this pic shows a fully colonized LC that pinned successfully like the rest of them. This was the least nutritious LC with only 0.1% MEA. One can only estimate what the mycelium mass of these jelly fish would equate to but fruits are easier to weigh but unfortunately I threw all of these away as soon as they started to pin so I never got to see how big they would have grown. And there is exactly 100mg of MEA in this broth.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Mateja]
#26753466 - 06/18/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So of I make brf jars and spawn 1:4 to coir all the nutrition comes from the brown rice still?
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: lefty24]
#26753598 - 06/18/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah most of it will. It seems like later flushes could use more of whatever is available in the coir since the myc has had a while to break it down.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: lefty24]
#26753650 - 06/18/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't recommend spawning BRF cakes to that extent, one cake through the cheese grater will amount to roughly a quart in volume and if you spawn that to 4qt of coir you need to remember that it's only about 30g of BRF in that substrate so keep in mind the myc will spend a good portion of those nutes on colonizing the new substrate and there won't be much left for fruit formation. You'll most likely get a few larger fruits from substrates that are kind of poor or low on nutrients Ime. But there's the 'BRF to bulk' thread which has much more info on that topic.
Back to this experiment. It just occurred to me that fruiting a LC's could be an alternative method to calculating how much is needed, I guess the metabolization and uptake of nutrients is different in liquid colonies but it's its an idea.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Mateja]
#26753764 - 06/18/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mateah said: I wouldn't recommend spawning BRF cakes to that extent, one cake through the cheese grater will amount to roughly a quart in volume
I thought so! I said on here a few days ago that there is more mycellium in a BRF jar than the same sized jar with whole grains in it! I do however still see the advantages and disadvantages of using both.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: AtmozFear]
#26753906 - 06/18/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Let's keep focus on this experiment which is really exciting! BRF cakes can be discussed in other threads. 
Anyway I was thinking on letting at least one of my LC's fruit for as long as it's capable of producing cause I already have a bunch that are full or near full colonization and I'll report the results here if I stumble across something interesting
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26754487 - 06/18/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Anyway I was thinking on letting at least one of my LC's fruit for as long as it's capable of producing cause I already have a bunch that are full or near full colonization and I'll report the results here if I stumble across something interesting 
Really cool idea! Is there any way to get the dry weight of the fruits produced?
If some part of the lifecycle involves turning, say, 10 h20 molecules and one starch molecule into a new compound which weighs more than the starch and does not evaporate when drying, then that would throw any of my calculations about nutrition way off.
Lc is a great way to figure that out, but you need to account for the inoculant too (agar, etc)
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lefty24 said: So of I make brf jars and spawn 1:4 to coir all the nutrition comes from the brown rice still?
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Roger Clemency said: Yeah most of it will. It seems like later flushes could use more of whatever is available in the coir since the myc has had a while to break it down.
Well, practically yes. Like if you want a decent yield, use a decent spawn to sub ratio.
But this experiment seems to suggest that, at least in low grain conditions w coir, a substantial portion of the nutrition can come from coir. In this example, at least 200x the dry weight of the LME has been produced in dry fruits. So in this case, less than .5% of the nutrition came from the grain
But ofc this isnt to suggest that this is a better way of doing things (it definitely isnt). I coulda used 1:1-3 grainspawn and this same bottle would have produced at 3-9g dry rather than 1g dry.
So practically yes, technically, not necessarily
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26754601 - 06/18/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Organic is anything of natural origin, that is or was alive at some point... if I'm trying to sell it as food, sure: but I speaking in terms of metal vs consumable materials suck as leaf litters sawdust, coir etc... water absolutely plays a role in dry weight. The fruit grow larger with more water, there's no question about it oxygen and hydrogen both play vital roles in chemical bonds for the formation of more complex molecular structures: I'm not sure of its exact role, but if it's stable over time, there's likely hydrogen bonds involved... even if only tied to the development of enzymes and alkaloids, these things have mass and therefore contribute to the weight: though I'd suspect it deeply rooted in the physical structure of the fruit body itself... reason I suggested different initial hydration levels, is to eliminate/confirm water as a factor... I believe co2/o2 levels, as well as the timing for the increase in air exchange, and temp swings to play a direct role in dry weight, not through the physical transfer of compounds, but by increasing/decreasing the cultures' ability to metabolize... undoubtedly an interesting experiment in the works
 
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26754704 - 06/18/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh definitely, thats what i was pondering on. Ofc water and fae etc are gonna affect yields, I just wonder how much (when water isnt the bottleneck)
Also curious in those bond formations how much dry weight would be added from those bonds vs offgassed as co2 etc (oxygen being 80% of the mass of h2o and 8/11ths of co2). Depending on the exact metabolic process involved i suspect it would take a whole lot of hydrogen atoms to significantly affect dry weight, unless the process is doing something like combining gasses in the air with nutrition from the substrate and grain to make something that weighs more than its components (weight not mass)
Mateah's LC experiment might be a cool way to get an approximation for it, especially if you weigh the water/LC before and after and compare to dry weight. Cant really feasibly measure the gasses but its a start. Also suspect yield in that circumstance is gonna be limited by the far from ideal conditions in terms of FAE and surface conditions (apart from nutrition)
Really enjoying brainstorming this stuff woth you guys 
I suck at chemistry so please feel free to correct any dumb shit i say lol
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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This is technical as shit, love it tho!
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26754748 - 06/18/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just a minor point of pedantry, but, technically, not all organic compounds are produced by living organisms
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Apples in Mono]
#26754760 - 06/18/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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For the sake of practicality for the statement in context... not familiar with any but also not a chemistry major lol
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26755770 - 06/18/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Keep that shit up and I'm gonna blow the whistle and have a mod move this to advanced cultivation page.
Keep on doing your thing!
Oh and I threw my grain water coir out a week ago. Didn't do much.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: Sockadin]
#26755860 - 06/18/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol...
I used a super aggressive burma isolate in this.
Im still intrigued by the morphology of the myc, it looks more like plant roots than mycelium
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26756783 - 06/19/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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@C10 have you confirmed if the fruits grown on this were potent at all? It would be very curious indeed if fruits grown in such nutrient poor conditions were inert.
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Re: experiment: fruiting off STRAIGHT coir (no grain) [Re: ManifoldPrime]
#26757500 - 06/19/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good question!
But no, my elephant tolerance wouldnt tell me much about 1g lol
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