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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: vinsue]
    #26685225 - 05/21/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Cosmic_Flame] * 1
    #26685230 - 05/21/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

These masks all fog up my glasses, I can't sustain this forever. I have contact lenses but touching my eye will for sure happen when I wear them and that's like the worst thing you can do. I can shop for food pretty much blind unless they move everything, if you happen to walk the wrong way down the aisle now you get yelled at too. I still see people hugging old friends on the street and crowding in small stores in large numbers instead of waiting outside for there to be less than 5 people inside. Our species is incredibly selfish, these aren't big sacrifices


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #26685255 - 05/21/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Almost half of Twitter accounts sharing coronavirus tweets are likely bots, according to Carnegie Mellon University research released Wednesday.

The university’s researchers scoured through more than 200 million tweets talking about coronavirus or COVID-19 since January and concluded nearly 45 percent of the accounts behaved like robots instead of humans, NPR reported...

...More than 100 inaccurate COVID-19 narratives were found, including those about potential cures, but the likely bots are involved in discussions about reopening and ending stay-at-home orders. Some of the accounts tweet about conspiracy theories, like hospitals being filled with mannequins or the coronavirus spreading through 5G wireless towers, which are both untrue.

But researchers said it was too early to determine what individuals and groups were behind the likely bots, but the tweets seem to instigate division in the U.S. 

"We do know that it looks like it's a propaganda machine, and it definitely matches the Russian and Chinese playbooks, but it would take a tremendous amount of resources to substantiate that," Carley said...







The amount of conspiracy bots on Twitter is astounding. One of my hobbies is debunking tweets on the made up drug adrenochrome they claim democrats are killing children and using. I estimate 25-50 percent are real humans. Of that its hard to say how many know its bullshit and how many are just stupid.

The 50 percent bots though I wouldn't write off 4chan as being behind a lot of it, I am not 100 percent certain its all state sponsored. These are people who can swarm IMDB ratings for movies they hate or love, and that's pretty hard to influence.

Beyond them I suspect equal parts Russia, Trump, and China.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: viraldrome] * 4
    #26685256 - 05/21/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Color me not shocked about that Vinsue.



Brief update:

Grandma is still improving on day 7. All vitals are normal. O2 is now back at 98 from a low point of 91 two days ago.


Meanwhile, check out a young physically fit woman's experience with COVID
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/opinion/coronavirus-young-people.html


This thing is a total crap shoot. There is really no way of really knowing how it will or will not effect you until you actually get it. It's just all over the map.


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These masks all fog up my glasses, I can't sustain this forever. I have contact lenses but touching my eye will for sure happen when I wear them and that's like the worst thing you can do. I can shop for food pretty much blind unless they move everything, if you happen to walk the wrong way down the aisle now you get yelled at too. I still see people hugging old friends on the street and crowding in small stores in large numbers instead of waiting outside for there to be less than 5 people inside. Our species is incredibly selfish, these aren't big sacrifices








Yeah I've been wearing my glasses a little more myself, which I normally never do. I absolutely hate them, but I have to stretch out my lenses a little, and I know that keeping your eyes unprotected is a risk.


Oddly enough the N95's I've had laying around forever don't fog up the glasses.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26685261 - 05/21/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey PB. In improvement is a plus, no matter how small.:heart:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26685270 - 05/21/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Before and after photo of a guy who spent 6 weeks in the hospital with covid-19





I honestly just dont get the signifigance of this. Do you think he was going to stay ripped af and massive after months in the hospital? Looks pretty much how he would like if for 6 weeks he stopped taking roids, stopped religiously going to the gym, ate only hospital food, and shaved. Meaningless image.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26685279 - 05/21/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's my thinking too. But I'm trying not to jinx myself with my own optimism. I feel like we've been so lucky, but the nursing home also announced that every single person(16 total) who had it, in another cluster in another part of the campus, have recovered. There are a lot of really scary things on the news, entire families have been wiped out, and this is a scary virus for sure, but I feel like it's important for us all to remember that the odds of survival are still overwhelmingly in our favor. Even for people with pre-existing conditions that people seem so sure are just ready to die. 


Now long term repercussions? Who knows. We could have a generation of people who are dealing with the fallout of this for the rest of their lives, like polio.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26685293 - 05/21/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, seems like it.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 5
    #26685309 - 05/21/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)






My cousin who was hospitalized for a week got to go back to work (hairdresser), now she listens to customers talk about the "fake" virus all day and bitch about how long they went without a haircut :lol: :facepalm:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26685315 - 05/21/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Holy fucking shit! Talk about denial. So very fucking sad some people are. I'm going to bet they are ultra religious and/or a trump supporter as well, I don't want to think that but in light of all the stories I have read in the last few months, that seems to be the case.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26685317 - 05/21/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe basic medical education should be mandatory


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26685331 - 05/21/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Holy fucking shit! Talk about denial. So very fucking sad some people are. I'm going to bet they are ultra religious and/or a trump supporter as well, I don't want to think that but in light of all the stories I have read in the last few months, that seems to be the case.




It's somewhat poetic in an awful way, because my cousin seemed to be heading down the trumpy "it's overblown" path before she got sick back in March. Now she gets to hear just how idiotic she might have sounded if she hadn't experience it first hand, and can't even speak up or her customers might turn on her and accuse her of lying (like some family members already have). Or better yet they might think she's somehow still contagious, and have the shit scared out of them by the virus they pretend to think is fake.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26685345 - 05/21/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe basic medical education should be mandatory



I think at this point it's hopeless. Ideology is more important than facts and knowledge right now.

I can totally understand people questioning the response and the economics of everything, but the "just the flu" and the "fake virus" stuff is just people basking in their own stupidity and ignorance. They don't have to care about the facts because reality is whatever they imagine it to be.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26685346 - 05/21/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The universe took it a little easier on your cousin than this guy - though from what I remember it was pretty brutal for her.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/florida-man-who-downplayed-coronavirus-as-fake-crisis-gets-infected-warns-others-after-ending-up-in-icu-with-wife/


He took his wife down with him. Luckily his ass is out of the ICU, but she's still on the ventilator with no signs of improvement.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26685376 - 05/21/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The universe took it a little easier on your cousin than this guy - though from what I remember it was pretty brutal for her.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/florida-man-who-downplayed-coronavirus-as-fake-crisis-gets-infected-warns-others-after-ending-up-in-icu-with-wife/


He took his wife down with him. Luckily his ass is out of the ICU, but she's still on the ventilator with no signs of improvement.




I actually thought it was pretty big of him to come out so publicly and say he was wrong, but then of course at the end he makes it about god and some bullshit about him being forgiven.

Unfortunately it's a scenario that's going to play out thousands of times... people learning in the hardest way.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26685381 - 05/21/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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people learning in the hardest way.






Could pretty much sum up the all of human history :lol:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26685402 - 05/21/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Guidance at the time of Corona # 27:  5/17/2020 @ 9:02 am, OneDrop Global News:

Dear All,


Ryokan says:


“Without intending it, the flower attracts the butterfly.
Without intending it, the butterfly approaches the flower.
I do not know the other
The other does not know me.
We naturally follow the universal way
When we meet, we do so without intending it.”


The flower did not call the butterfly, yet when it blossoms the butterflies gather. The butterfly fly to greet the flower? When the butterflies fly, that is when the flowers blossom. I do not know the other, they do not know me.


This poem has a deep sense. The butterfly and the flower did not intend to meet one another, yet how did it come about? They meet. The seasons change, the karma brings forth connections to other humans, this is one happening, which can be called: empty minded karmic connection.


Empty minded is a state of mind when we do not have a plan to do a certain thing and still our functioning arises.
Many people are infected by the virus, which is so sad, yet so many people have recovered. We do not want to get into such a situation, yet it may happen. Whether we see it as good or bad is up to our state of mind.


We may be on a train, people are sitting next to us, the scenery is constantly changing, why is this one person sitting next to me? Why is this other person standing in front of me? We do not know one another, if we think about it, it is rather strange. It may be predestined, which is the law of an imaginary god, yet in zen there is not imagined god existing. This is where Ryokan puts it well. This imaginary god is called the law of karmic connection in zen.


Our encounters are not just created by a god. There is a cause for our encounter which is connected by invisible strings to the outcome. Ryokan says, we naturally follow the universal way. Ryokan does not leave it at an encounter coming about curiously, but says it depends on our karmic connections.

In Europe at the entrance to a town it says:


Giving the traveler a place to rest, the visitor a smile, and for the departing we wish happiness. We pray for the good for those who need to go. We have such precious chance which we encounter and how we give life to them, how we bring forth our wisdom, this is where we constantly need to look sharply at.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26685404 - 05/21/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The universe took it a little easier on your cousin than this guy - though from what I remember it was pretty brutal for her.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/florida-man-who-downplayed-coronavirus-as-fake-crisis-gets-infected-warns-others-after-ending-up-in-icu-with-wife/


He took his wife down with him. Luckily his ass is out of the ICU, but she's still on the ventilator with no signs of improvement.




I actually thought it was pretty big of him to come out so publicly and say he was wrong, but then of course at the end he makes it about god and some bullshit about him being forgiven.

Unfortunately it's a scenario that's going to play out thousands of times... people learning in the hardest way.




I saw that ans was going to post that story, thanks PB. Yeah feevers, I agree.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: feevers]
    #26685485 - 05/21/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I can totally understand people questioning the response and the economics of everything, but the "just the flu" and the "fake virus" stuff is just people basking in their own stupidity and ignorance. They don't have to care about the facts because reality is whatever they imagine it to be.



Agreed which is why I have becone a sarcastic asshole instead of actually arguing with these folks.

Using a set of ideological axioms to perform deductive reasoning lends itself to confirmation bias. This is the opposite of how reasoning is deployed in medicine. Interventions are implemented on the basis of their prior efficacy, and then PhDs figure out why it works. To arrive at conclusions and make decisions in the field, medical practioners are employing inductive reasoning from experience to derive conclusions about a specific set of circumstances. When deductive reasoning is used, it is always secondary to inductive reasoning. A common saying is "treat the patient, not the monitor." Just because the ekg is all over the place doesnt mean the patient is in trouble. It would be a mistake to use deductive reasoning with ekg principles to assume as much. Look at the patient. Did you place the leads correctly? Are they hairy? Usually there is a circumstantial reason that medical principles alone cant be used to arrive at the best next course of action.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26685492 - 05/21/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The universe took it a little easier on your cousin than this guy - though from what I remember it was pretty brutal for her.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/florida-man-who-downplayed-coronavirus-as-fake-crisis-gets-infected-warns-others-after-ending-up-in-icu-with-wife/


He took his wife down with him. Luckily his ass is out of the ICU, but she's still on the ventilator with no signs of improvement.






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