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OfflineThanatos10
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Re: Depression Question [Re: Envix]
    #26682214 - 05/19/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Envix said:





I'm trying to phrase this in the nicest possible manner but that man has no idea what he's talking about. Saying that the purpose of life is to express yourself fully is false and just a last grab at some objective meaning to life. Even the part about pursuing what you want is what self help books are written about and it usually doesn't work out that well. It's the low hanging fruit of self help but it's not real practical advice.

It's really that good from my experience to give people vague "nonsense" like that since it makes them sink further into the meaninglessness of life. They already have no central goal or direction, this is essentially telling them the same thing.

No offense, it's just I've heard this many times before and it's never really helpful.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26682320 - 05/20/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I disagree

I am a happy nihilist who finds the absence of intrinsic meaning liberating

Come on OP, create your own values and live according to those. Be a God Emperor in your world

You make your rules. Just be mindfull of the rules other people live by or they will come and lock you up

True freedom lies inside


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26682533 - 05/20/20 04:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you hang on to unhappy nihilism more strongly than to quality of life, you ordered a bed of nails Aladdin, now you lie in it.

You're depressed bub.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Asante]
    #26682544 - 05/20/20 04:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

same here. happy nihilist who makes his own rules. :x

your problem that you cling to solipsism and other things that are unhealthy for you? because they make you feel something. they are disasters. they give you a story, even if it's an unhappy one. it's an emotion, a sort of minor adrenaline junky feeling you can get hooked on. you're so addicted to it at this point that you have trouble quitting because you know nothing else.

read those damn drizzt books i keep telling you about. read any adventure books! lose yourself in other peoples shoes. fill yourself with happy stories, songs, art, games. yes, it will feel fake at first. do it anyways. try to imagine yourself, as best as you can, even if it's not that great at first, in their shoes. make pretend that you ARE that person, or are adventuring by their side, just like you did as a kid.

you need to learn to replace those negative feelings with positive ones. you need to learn to build a sanctuary for yourself, a place to go to when your feeling down that's all your own. you have no religion, so you need to create your own heaven. this is not a bad thing!

this is a difficult path, make no mistake. this is the path of spirituality - many people follow blindly the path of their parents, following their religion and the words of their holy books. you have rejected the wide and easy path - you have chosen the twisted and narrow road. its easy to get lost here - hell, pretty much everyone does, often for years or decades. but the end is worth the journey, because the destination is something that is your own, personal garden of eden - no one elses. once you cultivate that garden, it's a wellspring of strength to draw from your entire life, and others will take notice.

but to plant a garden, you must first gather seeds. and those seeds take the form of ideas - you can fill your garden with beautiful stories and positive messages... or you can plant them with thorny problems and poisonous thoughts. you are the gardener. you decide what to gather.

or you can simply decide not to gather anything at all, and leave the ground barren.

the decision is yours.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26682840 - 05/20/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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Envix said:





I'm trying to phrase this in the nicest possible manner but that man has no idea what he's talking about. Saying that the purpose of life is to express yourself fully is false and just a last grab at some objective meaning to life. Even the part about pursuing what you want is what self help books are written about and it usually doesn't work out that well. It's the low hanging fruit of self help but it's not real practical advice.

It's really that good from my experience to give people vague "nonsense" like that since it makes them sink further into the meaninglessness of life. They already have no central goal or direction, this is essentially telling them the same thing.

No offense, it's just I've heard this many times before and it's never really helpful.



Your point of view is appreciated and valid, and you are entitled to it and deserve it. Cherish your point of view, because that is what makes you special.

Even more importantly, cherish the fact that you get to decide that for yourself, and may choose whatever point of view you wish to. The one who gets to decide, That is the real you.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Envix]
    #26682884 - 05/20/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I was going to send a PM but OP is banned :shrug:


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26682958 - 05/20/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:hwbm:


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Re: Depression Question [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26682982 - 05/20/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just when I get back from my ban :notsureif:


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Re: Depression Question [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 2
    #26683036 - 05/20/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think OP showed character by coming here admitting he may have been wrong


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26683046 - 05/20/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think OP is just trolling us all again, under the guise of showing a little weakness.

He's bloody good at spinning people out, like I've said before.

Wounded lambs inspire rescue.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26683060 - 05/20/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said: (not without sounding like an utter boob) that they are the problem and not me and that if no one else is bothered by this stuff it's because they don't get it. I have shown everything I read and left nothing out (even if I did it would just drum the same point over and over again) and no one buys it, so I guess it's me.

But I want to know how much a "brain control" depression is, how much does it color one's view.

...

NOTHING seems good or joyful anymore and before I thought it normal, but I see that it's not quite right anymore.





First off, your comment about being a "boob" made me laugh.  That's the first time I've seen you use humor, which is a welcome sight.  Laughter is the best medicine.
Secondly, depression effects everyone differently to varying degrees of "brain control."  It's hard to say how much control is given since we can't get into your head the same way we can get into our own, if that makes sense.  In severe depression, the "brain control" seems to be very strong, near 100%.  However, we can train ourselves to do things that bring us out of the depression, such as a routine involving cleaning, cooking healthy meals, exercising, studying, and having fun.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26683554 - 05/20/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Caught this thread right as I'm going to bed so will comment in greater detail tomorrow.

I don't know how bans work so unsure if OP will see this, but this is the best primer I've seen on depression so far


For now I'd say do as much research as you can about clinical depression from reputable sources. After that, you need to find and stack as many helpful interventions as possible on top of each other to manage it. There's no fast cure, but you can pull yourself out of it over time with the right support.

Thoughts and prayers to you in the meantime.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26683685 - 05/20/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
NOTHING seems good or joyful anymore and before I thought it normal, but I see that it's not quite right anymore.




This is anhedonia and a core symptom of depression. So in this case it can be 100%.

Have a look into a CBT based self help guide like "Mind over Mood", it has a foreword from Aaron Beck the father of CBT.

It's great for building your skills to break the mind control.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: singlet_oxygen] * 1
    #26683946 - 05/20/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

CBT stands for Currently Banned Thanatos10 :awehigh:


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Re: Depression Question [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #26684002 - 05/20/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl:

But What did he get banned for?


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Re: Depression Question [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26684365 - 05/20/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It's a looooooong story.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26684387 - 05/20/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:hyperlol:


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Re: Depression Question [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26684392 - 05/20/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think banning him was wrong.

These "experiences" when pushed can easily lead one down these types of paths of thought and philosophy. I can only imagine that a few here would attest to having gone through similar stops along their own journey.

I myself spent some time with these types of thought processes and in all honesty still do. I think there would've been people from all over looking at those posts as almost a Q and A type thing because quite a few seem to come to similar places mentally..

There are very few places where people can go to discuss these types of thoughts especially as they relate to our common bond.

Thanatos has a way with words that I see as a close resemblance to a few of my more Abrupt friends who are on the rainbow.

Anyway that's it.

He wasn't abusive.
Its our choice to read or respond.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: pineninja]
    #26684412 - 05/20/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I wish him a speedy recovery.  Just never realized he was gone.  He’s alright in my book.  Although I hate these type of discussions online because of how limiting the medium is and how it lends itself to so much getting lost in translation.

Godspeed thanny.


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Re: Depression Question [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26685222 - 05/21/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I wish him a speedy recovery.  Just never realized he was gone.  He’s alright in my book.  Although I hate these type of discussions online because of how limiting the medium is and how it lends itself to so much getting lost in translation.

Godspeed thanny.




Agreed. I hope he finds help - something more concrete than philosophical debates on message boards. Clinical depression is no joke, and I worriedly recognise a lot of the thinking patterns in his posts from my major episode in the past. At least he did mention some self-awareness in this thread of the track he’s headed down. May he keep on with his journey long enough to discover there is in fact life before death.


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