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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: Rich Ryegrain]
    #26680967 - 05/19/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My rooms got 8-15% humidity 90% of the time. Never been higher than 30 for a couple days when it was raining.

You just have to learn how to dial in the air exchange.


I only do shoeboxes and underbeds which are just giant shoeboxes. I keep the lids on with one of the short ends unsnapped so it still looks closed, or dubbing works too.

Underbeds I’ll dub or either loosely set the lid on top.


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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: A.k.a]
    #26682396 - 05/20/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Man, looks like I have some more reading to do. It's amazing to me that you can get enough FAE and still maintain surface conditions with ambient RH as low as you have. It's reassuring to know that it can be done, though! Thanks again for all the advice.


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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: Rich Ryegrain]
    #26682541 - 05/20/20 04:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

it just comes down to how often you end up having to mist/how loose you leave your kids really. adding a casing/pseudo casing can help keep the moisture up too


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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: hazyhorse]
    #26682925 - 05/20/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah top layer makes a big difference.

I’m not sure but I think having low rh helps with air exchange.

I’ve never had air problems even when I’ve kept the lid snapped on all the way through fruiting.


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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: A.k.a]
    #26682992 - 05/20/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting thought about lower RH resulting in more gas exchange, AKA. I suppose the lower it is the greater difference in density between outside air and inside air would result in more vigorous mixing, eh? Wow, so thinking about it that way, maybe the low RH could be one of my environment's advantages for something like shoeboxes or unmodified monos...... Interesting indeed!

I spawned my last 2 MS jars to shoeboxes yesterday and I'm keeping them in the closet--temps around 70, RH 10-20%, ambient sunlight all day. 1:1 ratio, coir and verm, 1/4'' top layer, lids snapped on for now. Excited to see how they compare to the closet boxes.

There were some significant metabolites present in the spawn jars, just like all my other MS jars. I still suspect syringe contamination is a big piece of this puzzle, but time will tell. I'll be spawning my first a2g jars very soon and I'm stoked to see how they measure up.


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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: Rich Ryegrain]
    #26683221 - 05/20/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i think that RH & air exchange is what makes pan cyans so hard to grow. from what i've read you basically need constant air exchange along with incredibly high RH on the substrate level. that's why the pan growers have such crazy setups for fruiting

bod says monitoring RH doesn't matter & i believe it. as long as you maintain good surface conditions you could live in a desert & grow these things. once you get it dialed in you'll definitely find unmodified tubs easy

the agar jars should turn out well!! i'm excited for you. using agar changes up the game significantly


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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: hazyhorse]
    #26683401 - 05/20/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I had an easy time with pans so far and I think in part it was cuz of my super low rh.


At first I thought it was horrible cuz everything constantly dried out but now that I know how to use it correctly it’s an advantage.

I can crank evaporation up to a rate not possible with higher humidity.


lol the first time we had rain for a couple days and rh went way up I couldn’t figure out why everything was staying so wet.


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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: A.k.a]
    #26685720 - 05/21/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i’m curious to try them some day! i could definitely see low RH making it easier to maintain the balances pans need

same here!! it’s dry as fuck where i live, & at first i hated it bc it seemed like my tubs were dry after an hour of being cracked. now that i can dial it in, it just means more constant FAE & evaporation off the sub. i may have to mist more often than others but i enjoy taking care of my mushies so it’s not a big deal

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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: hazyhorse]
    #26686274 - 05/21/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So, all that said, here's a question for you gents: Is there any point at all to keeping RH artificially high in my closet? It seems that if I don't, I either have to mist every few hours or keep tops snapped on to reduce evaporation. My intuition says that keeping lids cracked will create the most FAE, and that is ideal, so I should just have humidity as high as it needs to be to keep surface conditions prime with the morning and evening misting that I'm able to provide. Is this wrong thinking?


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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: Rich Ryegrain]
    #26686328 - 05/21/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Id disagree and say it could definitely be bad or bacterial spawn, in the first 2 pictures was me saying the same thing , had the lid flipped and also turned so it got a lot of fresh air, and they all grew little babies, the third picture is my first shoebox after getting clean agar and putting it to grain. That’s with the same room conditions and I didn’t have to flip the lid or anything just left it on but not clipped down. Bad spawn can give you babies, do a clone on agar and try again.
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Re: Shoebox Troubleshooting [Re: DeckardCain]
    #26686418 - 05/21/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hahaaaaaa Deckard Cain I love your name and avatar. Takes me back....

Thanks for shining another ray of hope on things. Here's what I'm dealing with as of today... there's been almost no growth for 5 days for either pins or larger fruits, and many of the larger fruits are aborting pretty hard. Spotting is present on almost every fruit. Can't wait to get these a2g jars spawned and really see what's going on here.



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