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Questions about aborts.
    #26680845 - 05/19/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've got myself about 30 some odd BRF cakes that i've just picked clean.
What I didn't pick are the aborts and here's why - I have read that the myc can feed off the aborts and reclaim nutrients.
Is this true?
If not, what does not cleaning off the aborts do? I have had the myc expand and consume them, but is this harmful to the myc at all?
What a day its been.
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Re: Questions about aborts. [Re: mushhead]
    #26680885 - 05/19/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If mushrooms have black heads and have stopped growing, they're aborts.  Pick them off when you pick the rest of the flush.  It's a myth that aborts will rot and ruin a substrate.  It's normal, especially when you have a lot of mushrooms on a substrate for some to abort.  A substrate can only support so much fruit, and if you get a really good pinset, expect some of them to abort.
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Okay so now I know they wont rot or anything.
I have read they are more potent but there is no backing for this opinion.
My original questions still stand however.


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Re: Questions about aborts. [Re: mushhead]
    #26680983 - 05/19/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mycologists probably know for sure but to me it seems like the myc would definitely reclaim what it could. Mushrooms can move around in the forest by reclaiming water and nutrients from hyphae that were growing in a direction that proved unsuitable and sending them into new stuff growing somewhere else in search for food so I doubt the organism would just leave something sitting there without using it.

I don’t know how much difference it would make on a BRF cake but if you don’t want to save up some aborts it can’t hurt to leave them on.

I’m still curious to the truth of the potent abort. I’ve planned on eating just grams of aborts but I’ve always ended up just throwing a half g in with whatever I’m eating.

Next time I see aborts I will save them all and eventually test myself. It’d still be anecdotal evidence though

Just for clarity :smile: - mushrooms don’t move around lol. The mycelium network as a whole can move in a way.


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Re: Questions about aborts. [Re: mushhead]
    #26680992 - 05/19/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They’re more potent.

I think you’ll be better off picking them. By the time the myc eats them the cake will be spent, and while they don’t cause contamination they’re a perfect spot for it. I’ve had a few tubs where the half melted aborts were the first place mold sprouted.

It’s way way too time consuming to get them all but I try to get as many as possible.

Lol I actually gave a sandwich bag to a friend and then one of his friends later ate some thinking they were normal potency and got rocked hard.


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Re: Questions about aborts. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26681055 - 05/19/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Alright so leaving the aborts wont affect anything unless contams are able to germ.
The myc will consume them, though the cakes will be spent - what about say a monotub? I would assume that the myc being larger than a BRF cake would eat aborts faster?

I know they're more potent just from my own experiences of them always kicking my ass.


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Re: Questions about aborts. [Re: mushhead]
    #26681147 - 05/19/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well I’m far from an expert on this stuff, just going by my own experience.

I never got into cakes but on tubs even if I leave first flush aborts they’re usually just starting to deteriorate by the third flush. If you used less spawn I bet they would get eaten faster but with tons of grain already colonized there’s plenty of easy food.


Again this is all speculation.


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Re: Questions about aborts. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26681247 - 05/19/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Well I’m far from an expert on this stuff, just going by my own experience.

I never got into cakes but on tubs even if I leave first flush aborts they’re usually just starting to deteriorate by the third flush. If you used less spawn I bet they would get eaten faster but with tons of grain already colonized there’s plenty of easy food.


Again this is all speculation.



Sometimes speculation can be the most accurate.
I would say that removing all aborts is the way to go since the myc wont use them in time as we've determined.
I was hopeful that perhaps the cakes could re-absorb used nutrient for subsequent flushes, though now I see it's better to remove aborts.
They wont affect further flushing unless a foreign body were to take hold.
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Re: Questions about aborts. [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #26681257 - 05/19/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

While it's extra work to remove aborts, by weight supposedly, they are more potent.

I imagine the issue with leaving them is while the myc will reabsorb them, it is expending some energy by growing out and reuptaking those nutrients. It seems counter intuitive to lose some ATP in this process, for the sole purpose of regrowing those mushies with the same nutrients.


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