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Too smart for our own good?
    #26677477 - 05/17/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Or not smart enough?

What part does intelligence play, if any, in happiness?


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Rahz]
    #26677504 - 05/17/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There is much truth in the expression "ignorance is bliss"


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26677542 - 05/17/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I find things like that to have a certain angle of truth, but in contrast one could say ignorance is the cause of most ills. Everyone seems to have deficiencies of sight, both by bias and general ignorance. Nobody is really all that wise. Ignorance is bliss for the unassuming but for everyone else it's part of the complication.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Rahz]
    #26677601 - 05/17/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

this thing has been totally falling apart since it started.

some people may not see it that way, but does that make them stupid?
they're falling to pieces too!

falling to pieces is kinda pretty sometimes


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Rahz]
    #26677781 - 05/17/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have always thought that, in general, our species is smart enough to get ourselves into trouble, but not quite smart enough to get ourselves out.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26677797 - 05/17/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Intellect Only, or Emotion Only, can be like a Chinese finger trap


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26677812 - 05/17/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think there are many factors that play into happiness. Intelligence can have a positive or negative impact. The kind of intelligence and how one uses that intelligence seems to me to be the largest factor in the resulting happiness.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Ancient Mariner]
    #26678312 - 05/18/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

intelligence is like resonance and reverberation awakening to issues:
whatever you point yours at becomes the central theme.

choose your topics artfully and resonate with something worth while.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26678502 - 05/18/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A significant part.  Two ways to slice it.  It plays a practical part in the sense that people require iq to get what they want or to simply advance in life in a way that they can realize their goals or adapt to difficulty.  The other part is a more recreational maybe spiritual kind of iq that can lead to happiness.  Where there isn’t a specific end point in a mind or a material outcome but just pursuing some kind of intelligence for its own sake.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26678534 - 05/18/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

in either case, personal happiness or the collective happiness of all humanity, the answer is no imo. That is, if smart means everything from wisdom to intelligence, then the smarter we are the happier we should be, eventually at least. Ignorance is bliss is a good point, but if we think about our species and our lives, in the end if we were smarter than we have been, there would be more happiness for all I think. And intelligence and wisdom are especially important for making a happy future for all.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #26680219 - 05/19/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Rahz said:
Or not smart enough?

What part does intelligence play, if any, in happiness?




To me it's sometimes like with every piece of knowledge gained, a little piece of the blindfold I was born with is torn away, sometimes I see the skeletal face that burns around us, and at others the golden webs that join us together.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: sudly]
    #26680397 - 05/19/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

cool


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26680677 - 05/19/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Idk that ignorance is stupidity or that’s it’s the opposite of intelligence.  Is stupidity bliss?


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26680798 - 05/19/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

neither ignorance nor stupidity are blissful or pleasurable in their own right.
I think we say this when we see unfortunate creatures having fun at the most meagre stimulation.

Usually informed or complicated creatures take no pleasure at all - by virtue of knowing what they lack and being restless to seek more of something.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26680825 - 05/19/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ignorance could be simply a lack of exposure to information. You can't worry about something you don't know about. But it can still bite you in the ass later.

Willful ignorance could be seen as a kind of stupidity.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Rahz]
    #26680846 - 05/19/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I was also thinking that.  Ignorance as in an absence of information or a willful deliberation.  Which is to say that intelligence, the presence of information, can certainly be unbecoming so long as intelligence doesn’t mean the positive application of information.  Some may say an intelligent person would be aware that he or she is overthinking to a fault, for example, and would correct course.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26680975 - 05/19/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I am highly ignorant of what is out of sight, out of hearing, and both of things in unread books as well as of things happening that have never been written.
I am a little bit stupid, and lazy, but, work at keeping open and aware.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26681110 - 05/19/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

.    Where I used to live, the grocery stores sometimes, hired kids with Down's syndrome ("It is usually associated with physical growth delays, mild to moderate intellectual disability, and characteristic facial features."...."The average IQ of a young adult with Down syndrome is 50, equivalent to the mental ability of an 8- or 9-year-old child"...), and it is said they have a personality style that is..." pleasant & affectionate,"...
.    I observed this to be true.

.  On the other hand testosterone is associated with aggressive behavior, which is not associated with happiness.

.    So it seems intellect is no guarantee of happiness, and  lower intelligence is no guarantee of unhappiness. Many smart people are mean.

.    Other aspects of biology, our habits, & circumstance/ environment seem to play larger parts in our emotional life.

.    Perhaps this is partly why 'wisdom' is often contrasted with "intelligence", although those with Down's syndrome would seem to also lack 'wisdom'. Yet at times they cheer others up. Part of joy, is of course sharing it.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26681139 - 05/19/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

is it good to be happy all the time?

if someone is happy when others are bummed out, is that person wrong or doing something wrong, or are they just on a different complex wave of consciousness with happiness to spare.


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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26681193 - 05/19/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve heard various professional scientists of one category or another say that we did not evolve to be happy all the time.  Which makes sense as if I was happy all the time, genuinely happy, then that would be unbecoming, confusing maybe a bit sociopathic.  In a way happiness isn’t necessarily the goal although one should expect it if given the right formula.


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