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InvisibleRich Ryegrain
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Maturing fruits aborting
    #26680068 - 05/18/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey y'all, I've got some real funny fruits here that I could use some advice on.




These puppies are B+ cubenses, MS rye berry jars spawned to coir/verm, in a closet with temps in the mid-70's and RH between 50-75%. Lids on the shoeboxes have been cracked for days and a fan comes on every once in a while that moves a lot of air.

Problems include brown spotting on the bottom/middle of the stipe, a withering/wilting stipe just below the caps, caps turning blueish and fuzzy, and very slow growth/aborting nearly mature fruits. Some of them get to 1.5'' tall and suddenly just stop growing and start wasting away. I've had exactly the same problem in my last few monotubs as well, and after playing with pretty much every variable I'm starting to feel pretty sure that it's my MS syringes that are all contaminated. I suppose that's the risk of doing MS to grain :sad:

I suspect this is verticillium or pseudomonias, and I have found a few threads with pictures that are very similar to my issue, but I haven't seen any consensus about what it is and if anything can be done or not.

Right now I'm keeping FAE as high as possible and RH as low as possible while still maintaining good surface moisture. I'm hoping that gives the myc an advantage over the bacteria.

Any thoughts on this??


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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: Rich Ryegrain] * 1
    #26686432 - 05/21/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a little update. All symptoms are getting worse, and all fruits have pretty much stopped growth entirely. At this point, I believe these babies are toast, but I'm going to keep them around to see what happens. Still curious if anyone has any thoughts on this though.



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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: Rich Ryegrain] * 1
    #26686545 - 05/21/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Definitely bad bacteria.

It looks like it’s getting zero fresh air.


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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: Rich Ryegrain]
    #26686582 - 05/21/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No ideas other than what you already thought of. Something is in there with your stuff. That’s usually how they look if trich overtakes the area where ones growing, but I imagine they look similar with any foreign thing killing them


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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: Roger Clemency] * 1
    #26686619 - 05/21/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

First set of picture lack of FAE.

Second set of pictures much FAE.

It's like your have a swinging RH scale and did both with the same shoebox.


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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26686628 - 05/21/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, guys. It's good to get more experienced eyes on it. I figure there isn't anything at all I can do about the bacteria at this point. That's what I get for doing MS syringe to grain, I suppose. The shoeboxes have had tons of FAE (lids cracked 2'' all day, fan in the closet), so I'll just chalk this all up to the bacteria. I'll pray my first a2g jars turn out better.


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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: Rich Ryegrain]
    #26686638 - 05/21/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No it's not bacteria. You went to far on the RH scale. Your fruits are drying out now. This is learning to dial it in.


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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: Sockadin]
    #26686653 - 05/21/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for clarifying, Sockadin. So are you saying that even the brown spots on all the stipes are a humidity issue? I'd love for this to be something that I can fix/learn if it really isn't bacteria.


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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: Rich Ryegrain]
    #26686791 - 05/21/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve heard people saying that even with a fan they had air problems growing in small areas.

Even though the air moves it’s just recycling the same stuff.

Idk how true it is.


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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: A.k.a]
    #26686880 - 05/21/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've considered that, and I imagine that could definitely be the case if you have a lot of mycelial mass in a small air space. I think if that were happening in my closet that I would have seen the effects in my monotubs. The monos have had some issues, but the shoeboxes are way worse. I just pulled about 6 fresh ounces of large, rapidly growing and beautiful fruits out of one of my monos, and that's its 4th flush.

One thing that I've noticed with the monos is that their first flushes have been the saddest, and that's when I've noticed similar symptoms to these shoeboxes. Each successive flush somehow shows less symptoms. Tonight's 4th flush babies were basically perfect fruits.

Not sure what that says, but it's something for me to ponder. Maybe I should just pull everything in the shoeboxes and get on with the second flush already :facepalm3:


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Re: Maturing fruits aborting [Re: Rich Ryegrain]
    #26687026 - 05/22/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would its too dry and not enough FAE.


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