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OfflineTheGreatSaiyaman
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First grow Pf Tek Questions * 1
    #26677229 - 05/17/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hi guys,

First post and update on my very first grow :smile: Following the standard Pf Tek.

About 6 of the 12 the jars I had steam sterilized over boiled and therefore alot of excess water managed to make its way in. Just discarded them because they were showing no signs of growth or contam after 12 days.

My other 7 are doing relatively well, about 4 of them also got some water in from the SS but not a great deal. They've shown plenty of growth so far but they don't seem to be colonizing over the parts that have extra moisture from the water that did manage to get in. Don't seem to be seeming any off colours or contam but I could be wrong if those pics show anything of concern.

My question is whether they will eventually start colonizing over those parts or whether they will just stall in growth?



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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: TheGreatSaiyaman] * 1
    #26677297 - 05/17/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They are all bacterial af, you should make new ones proper way and try again.. there is no hope for those on pics


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: nix21]
    #26677645 - 05/17/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You are correct, thanks! Just opened them all and had a good amount of cobweb on the verm barrier. Would moisture have been the main culprit?

Sterilized and nocced another 5 without any water getting in so hoping for a much better response :smile:


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: TheGreatSaiyaman]
    #26677698 - 05/17/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Your sterilizing technique was the culprit.
You ought to invest in a PC.


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #26679218 - 05/18/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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mushhead said:
Your sterilizing technique was the culprit.
You ought to invest in a PC.




I disagree. Not that a good PC isn't a worthwhile investment, but that it is necessary to secure sterilized BRF jars. I would only advise someone to invest money in something as elaborate as a good PC, particularly the All American, if they are dedicated to this as a source of income, a more avid hobby, or they have aspirations of becoming a mycologist. At least not for PF Tek. The PC is completely unnecessary. If you have one, sure, by all means. But before recommending a piece of equipment like that, I would ask TheGreatSaiyaman are you a hobbyist? Do want to do this for a living? Or do you just want a nice supply of some shrooms you don't have to keep copping on the street for lie $30.00 a hit?

Second, before I would blame boiling water sterilization, can I ask you, Saiya, will you please elaborate on your exact setup you used to sterilize?

Also, some questions for you:

-Did you cover the jar tops completely with aluminum foil? Because this helps to prevent the steam from invading the jars through the inoculation holes and coalescing as too much water in the jar.
-Were the jars out of the water at all times? Meaning the bottoms of the jars, were they touching the water?
-Did you use a strainer/steamer of jar lids to elevate the jars over the water?
-Did you wait for the water to come to a rolling boil, and then drop the flame all the way down to very, very low? Meaning just a low simmer?
-Did you start the clock when the water boiled, and then keep the water boiling for at least 90 minutes? The important thing here is to have the water boiling, but not a rolling boil the whole time. The high flame and rolling boil will evaporate the water too fast. You want to have the flame just low enough to keep the water boiling constantly, but only enough heat to be just boiling.
-Before inoculating, did you let the jars cool down to room temperature, after the 90 minute sterilizing, for a minimum of 8 hours? Not just when the outside of the jar felt cooled, because you want the inside that you cannot feel to cool also.
-Did you leave the substrate in the jars for more than a few days to a week before inoculating?
-Did you make sure that the water didn't evaporate while you were sterilizing? Because the steam is what sterilizes, and if all your water was gone, OR you didn't keep the water boiling the whole time, that could screw you up as well.


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26679240 - 05/18/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Seems like spending $10-$15 at a second hand shop or $60 for a new 16qt pressure cooker is hardly a huge investment mate.
Even though PF tek doesn't require it, Saiya would have better luck by pressure cooking his jars than using the steam method.
Whether he's growing for personal or otherwise, I always recommend procuring a pressure cooker as it is a vital tool for anyone attempting mush cult.
plus makes great chicken.


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: mushhead]
    #26679247 - 05/18/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26679263 - 05/18/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If I could do one thing over again as a newbie it would be buying a pressure cooker from the very beginning!! The Presto Aluminum 23-Quart is a great one to buy. Usually its sold for 75-90$ on Walmart. Com and Amazon. For some reason it's sold out everywhere online and it's being sold for like 125$. The Presto company must be shut down right now because of the virus. I would just wait a couple weeks until it's back in stock at a reasonable price.


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: Shenmue]
    #26679300 - 05/18/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A pressure cooker can be found for cheap. It's more than worth the few dollars you'll pay for it. It's also a multitasker


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #26679311 - 05/18/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mushhead said:
Seems like spending $10-$15 at a second hand shop or $60 for a new 16qt pressure cooker is hardly a huge investment mate.
Even though PF tek doesn't require it, Saiya would have better luck by pressure cooking his jars than using the steam method.
Whether he's growing for personal or otherwise, I always recommend procuring a pressure cooker as it is a vital tool for anyone attempting mush cult.
plus makes great chicken.




Well, first off, I never said it was a huge investment, though, I am not a huge fan of buying dishes or pots/pans secondhand. Still, you make a point. I have a PC, a nice T-Fal, but its too small, and if I were to have tried inoculating all 24 of my jars for my n00b grow, it would have taken me all friggin' day. lol Look, don't get me wrong, if I had only wanted to inoculate 5 jars, then even my current PC would have been fine. On a side now, I LOVE my PC for cooking. :smile:

As for the rest of it, agree to disagree. At least insofar as your assertion that his use of a stockpot was the cause of his woes. While I applaud your sage advice to buy a PC, if one was needed, and even if one wanted to just have a better technique than a big stock pot with jar lids or a steamer, I think its a little deceptive to tell someone new that the lack of a PC was at fault for his current predicament. I used the same PF Tek video that Shennue just posted, and am still in the middle of my flushes for my little n00b grow. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that Saiya's problem had literally nothing to do with his not having a PC, and everything to do with making one or more mistakes in the sterilizing process.

Look, we can totally agree on the fact that the PC is a level above stock pots and jar lids. But not so much so that it was to blame here. If it were, I seriously doubt that a mycologist heavyweight like RogerRabbit would have even considered recommending it in his Let's Make Mushrooms PF Tek video, which was the first in his series. Moreover, after buying his whole set and watching all the videos with immense fascination, I came away with this conclusion:

A PC is absolutely necessary for some of the Tek's he delineated in his huge series. Best $8.00 I ever spent, by the way. However, the whole point of PF Tek is for people like me, so that a PC is not necessary. I can't speak to what Saiya's needs or desires are, however, so I will leave that to him to clarify.

tl;dr - Saiya, a pressure cooker is nice. You may even decide you want or need one. But I can assure you that your current contamination-woes have literally NOTHING to do with your not using one.


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26679362 - 05/18/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I hadn't stated that his use of a stockpot was the cause.
I said that his sterilizing technique was the culprit. You can steam sterilize BRF jars no issue but if your technique is off things wont turn out as planned.
So truly woodrose we're saying the same thing, and because I believe a PC is a needed utensil I suggested it.
Congrats on your n00b grow btw I am thoroughly impressed.


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: mushhead]
    #26679385 - 05/18/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mushhead said:
I hadn't stated that his use of a stockpot was the cause.
I said that his sterilizing technique was the culprit. You can steam sterilize BRF jars no issue but if your technique is off things wont turn out as planned.
So truly woodrose we're saying the same thing, and because I believe a PC is a needed utensil I suggested it.
Congrats on your n00b grow btw I am thoroughly impressed.




Fair enough. I do think that the way you stated it, however, made it seem a little like you were suggesting the PC was necessary. I just wanted to clarify, because I could totally see how Saiya's takeaway from your advice would be that it was more of a necessity. That was definitely how I interpreted it.

Oh, and thanks! I love my homegrown shrooms! :mushroom2:


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26679442 - 05/18/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My point was with steam sterilizing even though its possible a lot can go wrong.
Thats why I suggest a PC because a PC is more controlled than steaming.
I'm sorry for the way I wrote it, seemed like it got the point across with the shortest sentence.


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: mushhead]
    #26679471 - 05/18/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mushhead said:
My point was with steam sterilizing even though its possible a lot can go wrong.
Thats why I suggest a PC because a PC is more controlled than steaming.
I'm sorry for the way I wrote it, seemed like it got the point across with the shortest sentence.




No, you may very well be right. I might have been the only one reading your post who interpreted it the way I did. Just in case Saiya did as well, though, I'm glad you clarified.


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26679555 - 05/18/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just buy the pressure cooker that I suggested lol. It's the one that I own and for 80 bucks you can't beat it. I'm sure you can afford 80 dollars. Well I hope you can..


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26679577 - 05/18/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Shenmue said:
Just buy the pressure cooker that I suggested lol. It's the one that I own and for 80 bucks you can't beat it. I'm sure you can afford 80 dollars. Well I hope you can..




If I were at all interested in buying a PC for shroom-grows, and my interest in it were more than just, "Hey I want some shrooms for personal use!" then I would wait for this virus shit to be over, when the 23 Quart Presto comes back to pre-Covid prices, and buy it then. It used to be on Amazon for $79.99, as you wrote above. I toyed with the idea right before starting my first grow, and very quickly decided against it. Hahaha, I take a great deal of pride in the fact that I went as low-tech as humanly possible. The single largest investment I made was the $25.00 for two spore syringes from a highly regarded site sponsor. Everything else, like Perlite, Verm, BRF, Mason Jars, and a few low cost Sterilite tubs, as well as some odds and ends, were all each lower in price than the MS Spores. I think I spent about $175.00, all in, for everything. :mushroom2:


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26679654 - 05/18/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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LSA Woodrose said:
Quote:

Shenmue said:
Just buy the pressure cooker that I suggested lol. It's the one that I own and for 80 bucks you can't beat it. I'm sure you can afford 80 dollars. Well I hope you can..




If I were at all interested in buying a PC for shroom-grows, and my interest in it were more than just, "Hey I want some shrooms for personal use!" then I would wait for this virus shit to be over, when the 23 Quart Presto comes back to pre-Covid prices, and buy it then. It used to be on Amazon for $79.99, as you wrote above. I toyed with the idea right before starting my first grow, and very quickly decided against it. Hahaha, I take a great deal of pride in the fact that I went as low-tech as humanly possible. The single largest investment I made was the $25.00 for two spore syringes from a highly regarded site sponsor. Everything else, like Perlite, Verm, BRF, Mason Jars, and a few low cost Sterilite tubs, as well as some odds and ends, were all each lower in price than the MS Spores. I think I spent about $175.00, all in, for everything. :mushroom2:



Which is damn impressive.


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: mushhead]
    #26679674 - 05/18/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Which is damn impressive.




Thanks to all of you guys and, of course, RogerRabbit! I take literally no credit. I just basically did what I was freaking told, meticulously and to the letter. You guys who were all so helpful to me deserve all the credit!


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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26681576 - 05/19/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Woah thanks for everyones input and responses! Really appreciated :smile:

To clarify, I did follow the tek to a T. Just when it did come to steaming I left it on to high and it did over boil up under the foil causing the complete saturation. Didn't think to just discard and start over.. but I did and made up another 6 jars which so far are responding well!

I also did order the 23qt Presto Pressure Cooker. 265AUD :eek: but I do want this to grow into a long term hobby so I'm happy with the investment. Plus it's multi-use haha.

I've attached one of my jars that survived the first steam and looks like she's on her way to providing me with my first fruits! How far off do you guys think?



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Re: First grow Pf Tek Questions [Re: TheGreatSaiyaman]
    #26681605 - 05/19/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Looking good! Those are on their way to being some fine fungus.


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