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Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation
    #26679106 - 05/18/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hello,

For years I've talked to my mom about trying cubes and using it to hopefully eliminate/reset her lifelong addiction to smoking. Now she's finally ready and the plan is for this Memorial Day weekend. I'm excited for her.

My question is, how much do you think I should give her? Should I split it into two sessions?

My thought is it might be better to give her a recreational lower dose, like 2 to 2.5g to let her get a feel for what it's like and then increase the dose to at least 3.5g two weeks later. I think the John Hopkins guys were doing an equivalent to 5g dose on the 2nd session though.



68YO Female

Her goals are to primarily to quit smoking but I think she also has some unresolved childhood trauma that's come back (in her mind) since her mother passed away some years ago.

She is a frequent marijuana user but beyond pot edibles, she does not have any psych experience.

Setting will most likely be at her house, probably laying in bed. I'll supply a blindfold and tunes.

Thanks!


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: CrackingTheCode]
    #26679214 - 05/18/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know man. It might go well, but when you mention possible unresolved trauma and just the general state of the world now, I'd caution that it might get messy.

It's the kind of thing I would never even dream of doing with my own mum (even were she to want to do shrooms which she never would) because I'd be worried about traumatizing her!

But then your mum is obviously a very different person than mine is (smoking weed)!

I would never wish some of the bad trips I experienced upon my own family members, and would not even give psychedelics to a close friend simply because one can never really predict how it will go (and I don't want to be responsible).

I'm a believer in other people making themselves responsible by personally growing or acquiring them themselves.

If she uses cannabis (especially edibles) then I would guess she'd be fine. But one always rolls the dice with these things.

What do the rest of the family say?

Michael's pollans book (get the audible version) how to change your mind is great, especially for the inexperienced.

Personally I would advise that she does not enter into the endeavour thinking in relativistic terms of good, or bad (trip) but that she goes in with the full intention of examining her own feelings and following/embracing them wherever they lead. As Polan himself said (or was advised himself) when one gets scared, don't run, but stare back into the fear holding its gaze. After that the tiger retreats... 

Make quitting smoking a general intention, but avoid focusing on any one thing. The key to a successful trip (if you are not lucky enough to be young/immortal) is to let go.

But remember if people have unresolved traumas from childhood or whatever, it won't necessarily be the case that she is able to let go. Something like that might need professional guidance (with the mushrooms).

At the end of the day its no different than asking for medical advice on a public forum really!


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: wolf8312]
    #26679377 - 05/18/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure if it was from a John Hopkins study or somewhere else, but I remember reading there was a significantly decreased chance of experiencing high levels of anxiety if the participants in therapeutic psilocybin sessions started with the equivalent of 1.75g then moved up to 3.5g two weeks later then 4.5g two weeks after that. You might want to try something like that with her, let her test the waters before jumping into a full dose


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: dk-1]
    #26679504 - 05/18/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I won't make specific dosage recommendations for a 68 year old woman who has never tried a hallucinogen before. That would be reckless, in my opinion, as I know nothing about her health history, medications she may be taking, or other psychological issues she may be dealing with, if any. I will say, however, that if I were you, I would NOT start with a regular tripping dose, not even one as light as 2.5 grams. Not for someone who has never tripped before. Can you consider maybe, instead, start with a drop over a microdose, to see how she tolerates a thershold dose? Not recommending dosages here, but hypothetically, what if she were to start with, say 1 gram? While letting her know that this is basically above a microdose but below a full blown trip. If it were my mother, and she was interested in trying this, I would explain that I wanted to start slow, very slow. Tell her she may feel only a little more than smoking weed, maybe a decent amount more with a 1 gram dose. I would then try to work up to a more full trip dose if, and only if, my Mom tolerated lower doses. I would certainly not want to set up a situation where my Mom, dosing for the first time, were going to trip pretty heavy.

I can tell you that since I have been tripping, and I have experience, I have still yet to go over 2.7 grams. I will go to 3, probably my next trip. But my first trip off the batch I just grew was lower than even when I used to do shrooms years ago.

My doses were as follows:

April 11th - 17 grams of fresh I had just picked, equivalent to about 1.7 grams dried
April 18th - 2.3 grams dried in capsules
April 25th - 2.5 grams dried in capsules
May 1st and May 16th - 2.7 grams each day.


I would not want to start a 68 year old woman who never tried them before even as high as my original 1.7 (17 gram fresh) dosage, much less a full blown 2.5 gram trip. I think that's too high for an elderly tripping n00b. Just my opinion.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: dk-1]
    #26679525 - 05/18/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I do not like the idea of giving your mother 2.5 grams her first time, especially if it is her first time and she has unresolved trauma. Even a dose like 1.5g has great potential to heal and cure unwanted habits which is a good first timer dose (depending on the species of mushrooms). If I were you I would give her a dose of 1-1.5 grams and if she wants to do a second session raise the dose to 2 grams. Baby steps :rocket::rocket::rocket:


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: GeckoMaBoi]
    #26679542 - 05/18/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I do not like the idea of giving your mother 2.5 grams her first time, especially if it is her first time and she has unresolved trauma. Even a dose like 1.5g has great potential to heal and cure unwanted habits which is a good first timer dose (depending on the species of mushrooms). If I were you I would give her a dose of 1-1.5 grams and if she wants to do a second session raise the dose to 2 grams. Baby steps :rocket::rocket::rocket:




I'm with you. If it were my Mom, and I was going to even consider a move like this, I would start with a single 1 gram dose and see how she handles it. Then I would wait 7-10 days, and if she were okay with it, try 1.5 grams. See how my Mom handled that, and if everything went well, I would bump it up to 2 grams 7-10 days after that, and so on. My point is that I would want my Mom to be doing it for at least a month before even reaching that 2.5 gram dose, to say nothing of 3.5 grams. That's insane! lol I'm not sure I would want to take 3.5 grams without a major build up, and I have done shrooms before. I lift heavy weights, have a bodyfat under 10%, bicycle ride  anywhere between 10 and 100 miles a day, and I probably won't even reach that 3.5 gram dose for at least another month.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26679584 - 05/18/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Op, don’t take the prep for this lightly.  Do your homework and talk to a physician who knows what’s what when it comes to this lay of the land and do it hypothetically, and have all the necessary hypothetical medical information/ history that pertains to your Ma.  That will probably take an appointment or two or three to get done imho.

Also, for things like this, I find the individual who wants to change - ie. Give up the drug habit/smoking, they need to be the one doing this kind of leg work, but there’s always the exception.  Sure you can help her along the way, but you get my point.

I’m not qualified to give specific expert medical advise.  And this is an anonymous online mycology & psychedelic mushroom forum, so take what is said with a grain of salt and with the appropriate mentality.

  It’s your only mother’s mind & health on the line, don’t forget that.

Good luck amigo.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26679648 - 05/18/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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talk to a physician who knows what’s what




Best advice in the thread so far.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26679941 - 05/18/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

0,8g - 1g dried for her first time I think is the best.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26679956 - 05/18/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, all!

Thank you for the advice!

To clarify, the trauma is maybe not the right word. It's emotional for her. Emotional baggage I think she's been holding on to and really just needs to let go of. One of the greatest 'revelations' I've received was it's all good, all the time. Everything is as it's supposed to be, etc.


I think the best course of action is an initial 1.75g dose, followed by 3.5g in two weeks and we'll see if she needs more from there. But up to 5g for a 3rd session.

1.75g was my first "get the feet wet" dose and I followed a similar path.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: CrackingTheCode]
    #26680008 - 05/18/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Do you mind if I ask you why you seem so determined to go so heavy with an elderly woman who may not be an ideal candidate for tripping in the first place? My first mushroom trip in about 20 years was April 11th of this year. I took almost that same dose of 17.5 grams fresh, which would be equivalent to the 1.75 grams of dry you are thinking about. That shit totally rocked me! And I know shrooms. I also did a bunch of LSA trips from Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds in the months preceding that first shrooms trip. As I said, it was pretty intense even that low shrooms dose. Not bad or unpleasant, but definitely a bit of a gut check. In a good way. But I really have to ask this: what's your hurry? Why are you so gung-ho to get your Mom, in just two sessions, up to a dose of 3.5 grams that could possibly cause more harm than good? Start slow and ease her up. I really think its a mistake to hammer an elderly woman with some history of mental issues and emotional baggage with those kinds of initial doses. I'm not saying she would never be ready for a 3.5 gram trip. But again, what's your hurry? Start out really small and build up slowly. I can't see a single good reason to dose your Mom that heavy.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26680055 - 05/18/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think you are being overly cautious and anxious about op's mom handling the trip. 1.75g is not a high dose. At least she would get the psychedelic mindstate a bit and feel great. 1g for example could just be a waste of time if trying to break a lifelong habit and deal with emotional baggage. It could just be a disaapointment. She might get all the "bad" effects but none of the good. If she is ready to submit herself to the experience then there is nothing that can go wrong on less than 4-5g doses.

I think that is a good dose to go with and double it later on.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26680126 - 05/19/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I think you are being overly cautious and anxious about op's mom handling the trip. 1.75g is not a high dose. At least she would get the psychedelic mindstate a bit and feel great. 1g for example could just be a waste of time if trying to break a lifelong habit and deal with emotional baggage. It could just be a disaapointment. She might get all the "bad" effects but none of the good. If she is ready to submit herself to the experience then there is nothing that can go wrong on less than 4-5g doses.

I think that is a good dose to go with and double it later on.




My own hunch also is that if she is able to use cannabis with no problems then I don't think there will be too much trouble.

There're no guarantees, and obviously everyone is different, but I've never known anything more effective at dredging up the subconscious than cannabis. But then again I also know people to whom it just doesn't affect like myself/others.

I'd say above all else just make sure its something she is ready and determined to do, not because it's something you want for her (trying to make your mum more 'cool' or something haha).

But let us know how it goes OP!


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: wolf8312]
    #26680635 - 05/19/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

An information of therapeutic dosage:

At a dosage of 1.6 grams in a therapeutic clinical environment, we might expect 0% of people to experience some extreme fear,for an average of around 1 minute of strong anxiety11, and we might expect around ~45% to report a persisting positive increase in mood from this dosage

At a dosage of ~3.2 grams in a therapeutic clinical environment, we might expect 14% of people to experience some extreme fear, for an average of around ~2 minutes of strong anxiety

At a dosage of ~4.8 grams of mushrooms9 in a therapeutic clinical environment, we might expect 86% of people to experience some extreme fear, for an average of around ~11 minutes of strong anxiety

I dont know, but step by step seems to be more suited to first experiences.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: lucidasans]
    #26681191 - 05/19/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

2.5g is not very much. But might be high for your mother. Bunch of downeers here. The world is always in this state and we should act accordingly.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26681342 - 05/19/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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2.5g is not very much. But might be high for your mother. Bunch of downeers here. The world is always in this state and we should act accordingly.




Personally giving shrooms to my mother would be almost too...what's the word... intimate almost?

I know this is probably more a reflection of my own fears and hang ups, but just the very idea makes me uncomfortable.

Too close you know?

I have a warm and loving relationship with my own mother, but the very idea of her tripping is just wrong for me on a number of levels.

In a perverse kind of way I think I'd feel the same way about her taking shrooms, as she would about me taking them. I'd strongly disapprove in other words lol.

I just have this picture in my mind of my own mother going through a bad trip in front of me! As I said in my OP, having had some seriously traumatic experiences with psychedelics I know how terrorizing they can potentially be. My dear mum going through that shit?

In a weird kind of way just typing this out makes me conscious of the fact, that there is a fear there (encompassing a few different aspects of life especially death) that we'd both probably benefit from addressing with such an experience. Although I'm certainly not going to do it (and like she'd ever even agree)!

I don't think it's being a downer man.

People are just pointing out the risks.

Gotta remember too, that while some people no doubt have cool mums, who would be down for this sort of thing, for others giving shrooms (or any drugs) to mum is literally unthinkable!

Not much different from giving them to my own child when he gets older really, and I won't be doing that either!


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: wolf8312]
    #26681421 - 05/19/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

How would your mother feel about you taking mushrooms, dude? Are you sure she would feel that way? Have you been brought up, as I was, with a certain amount of the “just say no”, the “drugs war”, the 60s LSD media frenzy, that cannot but somehow work it’s way into your subconscious.

I toil with this idea, giving mushrooms to my (83 year old) mother! I still don’t think i’ve resolved all the inhibitions ive been brought up with. Even with years of healing mushroom use!

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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26681462 - 05/19/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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How would your mother feel about you taking mushrooms, dude? Are you sure she would feel that way? Have you been brought up, as I was, with a certain amount of the “just say no”, the “drugs war”, the 60s LSD media frenzy, that cannot but somehow work it’s way into your subconscious.

I toil with this idea, giving mushrooms to my (83 year old) mother! I still don’t think i’ve resolved all the inhibitions ive been brought up with. Even with years of healing mushroom use!

Take care brother
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Haha! No trust me! Not my mum.

She would also be really unsuited to them as well I think.

Though I do think she would benefit if able to let go of it all, I'm not sure she would be able to, and I wouldn't want to find out!

I have always sensed (sadly) that she has a lot of pressure/fear, built up that she holds tight inside (and sometimes manifests as anger though she's always been a wonderfully kind mother).

I also haven't let go of it all either though dude!

Take care as well and thanks!


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: wolf8312]
    #26681486 - 05/19/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For somebody who isn't a pothead, I never go over 1 gram for the first time.  They have no idea what they are getting into, so go light, you can always go heavier next time.


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Re: Advice for giving my mother shrooms for smoking cessation [Re: meanoldman]
    #26681628 - 05/19/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nicotine patches or gum will probably work better for smoking cessation.

The cubes will probably work better for the childhood traumas.


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