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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
    #26679288 - 05/18/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I guess I'm coming at this from a more "sacred sexuality" angle.  Sex in the hands of the wrong partner has the potential to become weaponized.  So instead of just fucking any old person, I've become a lot more choosy in my older age.



I feel you there sister. Much in the same spot myself.

Hella casual sex and sex with the wrong partner is only fun for so long.


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26679294 - 05/18/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26679295 - 05/18/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Legalizing prostitution might fix the problem. Some Men are angry at sex because they can't get any and the longer they don't have sex the more paranoid they become about not getting it thus making it even harder to get it.


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26679351 - 05/18/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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ShiVersblood said:
Legalizing prostitution might fix the problem. Some Men are angry at sex because they can't get any and the longer they don't have sex the more paranoid they become about not getting it thus making it even harder to get it.




Not really sure why it's illegal to begin with. I mean as long as there are two consenting adults and whatnot it should be fine. It's just one of those things that are illegal that I don't get why it is.

But this isn't from a place of sacred sexuality but rather it is against it altogether.


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ShroomerInTheRye said:
I guess I'm coming at this from a more "sacred sexuality" angle.  Sex in the hands of the wrong partner has the potential to become weaponized.  So instead of just fucking any old person, I've become a lot more choosy in my older age.



I feel you there sister. Much in the same spot myself.

Hella casual sex and sex with the wrong partner is only fun for so long.




I would have to agree. It was fun at first and I was able to refine my approach and technique in the process, but eventually I began to seek more than just a nameless someone. I wanted a person I could feel naked with, tell them I truly loved them and wanted to show it however I could.


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26679406 - 05/18/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's healthy.
I've never done anything without protection.
Never had a problem. I can't sleep with someone who isn't nice.

I like the pleasant sophisticated chicks.


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Asante]
    #26679605 - 05/18/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Asante said:
If you start imposing your norms on others, you become a zealot.





this is an issue that seems to arise more frequently for some systems than others
vegetarianism and veganism have benefits as a personal health choice
but then there are people who want to see the system changed and their individual choice cannot have that level of weight
for the moral/ethical positioning against eating animals (ie: rather than for health reasons) to really pan out in a way that reduces said harm
a large mass of people need to make the shared decision in order to reduce the market share of animal product sales

then there is the resulting push back
where people who advocate eating meat will speak out against people who make the personal choice not to
because there is a sentiment that all who practice must share the ideology of impressing that choice on others
and it causes a destructive feedback loop in interactions

presume this to also be the case with asexuality vs. antisexuality
asexuality is a personal choice; it comes from a place of how the individual feels most appropriate connecting with others
lesser talked about, but somewhat distinct from asexuals are aromantic individuals who additionally feel that human relationships can be sufficiently fulfilling without romantic engagement

at a guess, as the wiki unfortunately does not provide a ton of insight on this portion
antisexuality seems like it would come from a place where the concern is not per se sex itself
but that the societal addiction to sex results in the commodification of sex in media and the overemphasis of sex in interpersonal relationships
and even if one removes themself from sexual engagement as an asexual, that outside "negativity" (given the presumed lens) remains unless a mass of people do so


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26679756 - 05/18/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
Quote:

Asante said:
If you start imposing your norms on others, you become a zealot.





this is an issue that seems to arise more frequently for some systems than others
vegetarianism and veganism have benefits as a personal health choice
but then there are people who want to see the system changed and their individual choice cannot have that level of weight
for the moral/ethical positioning against eating animals (ie: rather than for health reasons) to really pan out in a way that reduces said harm
a large mass of people need to make the shared decision in order to reduce the market share of animal product sales

then there is the resulting push back
where people who advocate eating meat will speak out against people who make the personal choice not to
because there is a sentiment that all who practice must share the ideology of impressing that choice on others
and it causes a destructive feedback loop in interactions

presume this to also be the case with asexuality vs. antisexuality
asexuality is a personal choice; it comes from a place of how the individual feels most appropriate connecting with others
lesser talked about, but somewhat distinct from asexuals are aromantic individuals who additionally feel that human relationships can be sufficiently fulfilling without romantic engagement

at a guess, as the wiki unfortunately does not provide a ton of insight on this portion
antisexuality seems like it would come from a place where the concern is not per se sex itself
but that the societal addiction to sex results in the commodification of sex in media and the overemphasis of sex in interpersonal relationships
and even if one removes themself from sexual engagement as an asexual, that outside "negativity" (given the presumed lens) remains unless a mass of people do so




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fantisex.info%2F

Judging from this it doesn't seem to be what you have in mind.

Also Asexuality is something entirely different. It's not a choice, it's a sexuality just like the rest of them.


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26679762 - 05/18/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Or lack thereof, essentially preferential celibacy, more or less.  A word describing the absence of sexual desire.  Sounds more like a medical condition, or a symptom of a medical condition, than something one natural healthy disposition - at least, in so far as mammalians are concerned.  But, to each their own...to an extent.  I can see some one choosing celibacy for valid reasons, but to be born human and have no sexuality is indicative of an abnormality.


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26679779 - 05/18/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There seem to be a few that are in line with my expressed sentiments,
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1. Sexuality complicates relationships (for example, when people begin to show hostility to each other only because they are sexually attracted to the same person).
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4. Sex causes a dependence similar to narcotic (the only difference is that the drugs in this case are endogenous, that is, they are produced by the body itself).

5. Sexuality is imposed by society as a compulsory, self-evident part of a “full life”, which contributes to the adoption by a person of alien attitudes and values.

6. Sexuality is unnecessarily complicated for its functions: a variety of orientations, quirks, fetishes, and especially deviations recognized as destructive (such as sadism, pedophilia, dangerous sex) - all this leads to the conclusion that sexuality is unacceptable in a person.

7. Sexuality provokes an inadequate (hostile) perception of those people who do not meet the standards of sexual attractiveness.
...




tho a reduced focus on media/advertising and an increased focus (5)/(7) on familial/social norms may be more in line with Russian origin

it was also an error on my part to utilize "choice" when mentioning asexuality, so thank you for calling attention to that
was too hung up on the language of the vegetarianism 'example'
but you are correct, it is a sexuality like the rest and is an affair of how the individual connects with others
compared to perceptions that sex is itself a means of deepening connection


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26679788 - 05/18/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

All those things listed can be true in so far as they are analogies describing aspects of sexuality, to an extent.
But sufficiently developed and matured individuals can be surprisingly above those at the same time, going beyond such a limited perceptual understanding.  Seems like the links author is pushing & describing the lowest form & view of sexuality - which is limited in perspective, definitely not indicative of how everyone is in regards to it.

Almost seems like the author is attempting to rationalize his own take on their experience as universal, in effect confounding sexuality as a whole. In other words - simply - classical projection.

In effect, rediscovering celibacy..and calling it anti sexuality :shrug:

Whatever floats his/her boat! :lol: 


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26679803 - 05/18/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
All those things listed can be true in so far as they are analogies describing aspects of sexuality, to an extent.
But sufficiently developed and matured individuals can be surprisingly above those at the same time, going beyond such a limited perceptual understanding.  Seems like the links author is pushing & describing the lowest form & view of sexuality - which is limited in perspective, definitely not indicative of how everyone is in regards to it.




definitely not how everyone is
but, as stated, think there are concerns with regards to societal views

do not want to start pointing fingers at foreign countries with no personal experience
but am aware that Russia has such a strong focus on sexual normalization present in broader society
that gay people flee the country for fear of death

asexuality is likely not regarded with the degree of active hostility
tho would not be surprised if there are instances of "corrective rape" like in Jamaica with regards to lesbians

so antisexuality would then strike me as a meta position of judgement; a strike back that the existing normalization of sex takes place after recognition of the natural human condition

asexuality is referred to by the site as being among the expressions of antisexuality
but they are still not matching schools of thought

am cool with ace individuals, antisexual is still disagreeable to me even if seemingly "comprehending" its relative criticism of society


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26679826 - 05/18/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The hell is corrective rape?


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26679841 - 05/18/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

discussed in this post a while back with regards to Jamaican homophobia

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Human rights non-governmental organisations and governmental entities have agreed that violence against LGBT people, primarily by private citizens, was widespread in 2012.[2] The Jamaican Forum for Lesbians, All-Sexuals and Gays (J-FLAG) in 2012 "continued to report serious human rights abuses, including assault with deadly weapons, 'corrective rape' of women accused of being lesbians, arbitrary detention, mob attacks, stabbings, harassment of gay and lesbian patients by hospital and prison staff, and targeted shootings of such persons."[2]
...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Jamaica

the corrective rape bit itself actually links to an independent page
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Corrective rape is the use of rape against people who do not conform to perceived social norms regarding human sexuality or gender roles. The goal is to punish perceived abnormal behavior and reinforce societal norms.[11][6] The crime was first[when?] identified in South Africa,[12][page needed] where it is sometimes supervised by members of the woman's family or local community.[5] One of the earliest known mentions of the term is by South African feminist activist Bernedette Muthien during an August 2001 interview by Human Rights Watch in Cape Town:[13]

    Lesbians are particularly targeted for gang rape. African lesbians are more likely to be raped as lesbians in the townships. To what extent are coloured lesbians also targeted for rape because of their sexual orientation? There are no statistics for this, and I don't know what percent of coloured lesbians are targeted for corrective rape action. Growing up, I never heard that lesbians were targeted in this way and so I want to know when that started happening. Gangsterism has always existed in the townships, so you can't attribute it to that. I don't know why black lesbians are targeted more, either. I'd like to know how many women are being raped by brothers, fathers, etc., in coloured townships. Why is no one studying this? Has it just been under-reported, not studied, or what?

The United Nations UNAIDS 2015 Terminology Guidelines suggests that the term corrective rape should no longer be used, as it gives off the perception that something needs to be fixed. The guidelines propose that the term homophobic rape should be used instead.[2][4] The words "so-called 'curative' or 'corrective' rape" were mentioned in 2011 in the first UN report on discrimination and violence against LGBT+ people.[1] A 2013 global study on HIV/AIDS suggested the term lesphobic rape to emphasize the fact that lesbians constitute the overwhelmingly majority of victims of this phenomenon.[3] Others have emphasized that gay men, transgender, asexual and intersex people can also be victims of corrective rape by similar reasons.[14][15][8][16]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_rape

interestingly that mentions the potential alluded to in my post, but does not seem to document actual instances of it

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United States

In the United States, Brandon Teena (1972–1993) is a well-known victim of corrective rape (and thereafter murder) for being a trans man. The book All She Wanted (1996) and the two films The Brandon Teena Story (1998) and Boys Don't Cry (1999) were about him.[15][66]



May have actually seen the Boys Don't Cry movie, looking in to that now


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26679859 - 05/18/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

oof, should not have looked in to that
seem to recall the movie itself because of a scene of Hillary Swank topless
but forcible disrobing was part of the actual case

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During a Christmas Eve party, Nissen and Lotter grabbed Teena and forced him to remove his pants, proving to Tisdel that Teena had a vagina. Tisdel looked only when forced to and said nothing. Lotter and Nissen later assaulted Teena and forced him into a car. They drove to an area by a meat-packing plant in Richardson County, where they assaulted and gang-raped him. They then returned to Nissen's home where Teena was ordered to take a shower. Teena escaped from Nissen's bathroom by climbing out the window and went to Tisdel's house. He was convinced by Tisdel to file a police report, though Nissen and Lotter had warned Teena not to tell the police about the gang rape or they would "silence him permanently". Teena also went to the emergency room where a standard rape kit was assembled, but later lost. Sheriff Charles B. Laux questioned Teena about the rape; reportedly, he seemed especially interested in Teena's transsexuality, to the point that Teena found his questions rude and unnecessary, and refused to answer. Nissen and Lotter learned of the report, and they began to search for Teena. They did not find him, and three days later, the police questioned them. The sheriff declined to have them arrested due to lack of evidence.

Around 1:00 a.m. on December 31, 1993, Nissen and Lotter drove to Lambert's house and broke in. They found Lambert in bed and demanded to know where Teena was. Lambert refused to tell them. Nissen searched and found Teena under the bed. The men asked Lambert if there was anyone else in the house, and she replied that Phillip DeVine, who at the time was dating Tisdel's sister,[16] was staying with her. They then shot and killed DeVine, Lambert and Teena in front of Lambert's toddler.[17] Nissen later testified in court that he noticed that Teena was twitching, and asked Lotter for a knife, with which Nissen stabbed Teena in the chest, to ensure that he was dead.[18][19] Nissen and Lotter then left, later being arrested and charged with murder.[17]




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena

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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26680060 - 05/18/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
All those things listed can be true in so far as they are analogies describing aspects of sexuality, to an extent.
But sufficiently developed and matured individuals can be surprisingly above those at the same time, going beyond such a limited perceptual understanding.  Seems like the links author is pushing & describing the lowest form & view of sexuality - which is limited in perspective, definitely not indicative of how everyone is in regards to it.




definitely not how everyone is
but, as stated, think there are concerns with regards to societal views

do not want to start pointing fingers at foreign countries with no personal experience
but am aware that Russia has such a strong focus on sexual normalization present in broader society
that gay people flee the country for fear of death

asexuality is likely not regarded with the degree of active hostility
tho would not be surprised if there are instances of "corrective rape" like in Jamaica with regards to lesbians

so antisexuality would then strike me as a meta position of judgement; a strike back that the existing normalization of sex takes place after recognition of the natural human condition

asexuality is referred to by the site as being among the expressions of antisexuality
but they are still not matching schools of thought

am cool with ace individuals, antisexual is still disagreeable to me even if seemingly "comprehending" its relative criticism of society




Yeah, I heard about corrective rape. It honestly is chilling, but that's what happens when we have such a narrow view of sexuality that anything outside the "norm" must be "corrected".

I can sympathize with a need to speak out against the over sexualization of society, but that's already happening. This movement is almost like a parody of legitimate concerns about society. But I do agree that we often place too much emphasis on it and end up ruining a good thing.

I remember when I first started, nervous and scared of being called a "virgin" I hurried into a lot of bad experiences and sex kind of left a bad taste in my mouth (pun not intended). But through all the bad ones I got to see how good it could be when two people are on the same wavelength and someone respects your wants and needs, that there can be real care and vulnerability.

It can be a great thing if we let it be instead of trying to make it one thing or another.


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26680082 - 05/18/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This guy just couldn’t get laid to save his life now he started a coalition


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Re: Antisexuality? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26680092 - 05/19/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe he finds someone he wants to be with in the coalition :shrug:

Also,

Than, nice.


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