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Grapefruit
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Intelligence is a strange one, tricky to define. Some people who don't seem traditionally intelligent are much more intelligent that they seem by cultural standards, but there is a type of intelligence that often seems to spawn neuroticism.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Grapefruit]
#26681309 - 05/19/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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associative cognition is basic, what you experience basically elicits memories that have similarity - I think intelligence is the effort to table memories that have been elicited and then select among them for more subtle matching by increasing the context beyond the moment and situation.
That means an intelligent being reacts not just by recognition, but by allowing for longer term concerns that are not obvious in the situation, by having an expanded awareness, taking in the moment in a transcending context, but not losing touch with the moment, this corresponds somewhat also with wisdom especially when the larger contexts are truthful, social and moral.
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People are definitely playing their own game. Down syndrome people don’t often tax themself with complicated intellectual problems that may deflate or uplift them. “Mental disorder” probably follows the same pattern.
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laughingdog
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redgreenvines said: is it good to be happy all the time?...
Crying with upset folks rarely actually helps them, hence they often pay good money for good therapists, as we already know.
Also as some may already know, the Buddhist goal as regards emotional states is equanimity, not a state of continual bliss. Bliss states called jhanas are acknowledged, and are considered perhaps stepping stones, but of course attachment to them is considered another error, so one ends up with equanimity. Which makes sense if one thinks about it. Actually coming to abide in such a way, most of the time is another matter.
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laughingdog
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Yellow Pants said: People are definitely playing their own game. Down syndrome people don’t often tax themself with complicated intellectual problems that may deflate or uplift them. “Mental disorder” probably follows the same pattern.
Nobody holds Downs syndrome folks as ideal, they are just an example of the fact that IQ has little to do with disposition.
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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: laughingdog]
#26681643 - 05/19/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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laughingdog said:
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Yellow Pants said: People are definitely playing their own game. Down syndrome people don’t often tax themself with complicated intellectual problems that may deflate or uplift them. “Mental disorder” probably follows the same pattern.
Nobody holds Downs syndrome folks as ideal, they are just an example of the fact that IQ has little to do with disposition.
Of course. Although something could be said about that. Ime mentally challenged folk are often happy go lucky and affectionate because they are being cared for often by a helping soul. Without which the affection would quickly vanish.
Not to say that they can’t be, but there’s nothing especially affectionate about people with severe mental disorder.
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laughingdog
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. I'm no expert on the subject but , autistic people by contrast with Down' s syndrome folks are often rather non-relational. Perhaps it varies by illness as well as the caregivers. . In any case once again staying on topic with the OP's question, I suggest that IQ does not synchronize with happiness. Although if already happy, higher IQ is most likely a bonus. But not necessarily, as I am reminded of (from wiki) : . "Cassandra ... was a priestess of Apollo in Greek mythology cursed to utter true prophecies, but never to be believed. In modern usage her name is employed as a rhetorical device to indicate someone whose accurate prophecies are not believed." . Which actually seems a common fate, of some of the brighter folks. As the history of theories in science history shows again and again.
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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: laughingdog]
#26682550 - 05/20/20 04:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's good to be happy
it's not wrong
who knows how happiness may affect the future
it might be infinitely good in long term we can't see that far
it's not a negative time when we are happy
and we deserve that
we didn't choose to get born
so sometimes I even think we have the right to get stoned because there has to be something good
of course you're not allowed to do wrong like chauncy says I am allowed to wear any of the old man's clothes so it's like there is something about it there that's like you are allowed to do it only if it's not negative
there is also a joke inside when one is happy about it's not negative when I am not happy
the thing about stoned is an answer if we all understood it
happy is not as good as not suicide
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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Ferdinando]
#26682553 - 05/20/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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happiness is damn good
like looking at a garden that is beautiful
you deserve to always be happy
you should be
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redgreenvines
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Re: Too smart for our own good? [Re: Ferdinando]
#26682612 - 05/20/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree it's preferable and positive
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Moses_Davidson
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I've always wanted a bumper sticker that says "I've been much happier since the lobotomy."
This is anecdotal... but before I had my stroke, my IQ had tested above average. Today, I'd be lucky if I could reach an average score. I can no longer do big equations in my head... can no longer solve "impossible" problems at work, I can't think anywhere near as quickly,... and lost large parts of my vocabulary which was... ehh... what's the word? Yet today, I am far happier than I was before.
Being too smart for our own good is perhaps like having a computer that is too fast to work properly. It might not be the hardware causing the problems... but the programming within the CPU.
On the other hand, there always seems to be a balance. If we were smarter, maybe we would not wrestle with all of these concepts, and the ability to put ourselves in a state of happiness would be as simple as stretching to avoid tight muscles. Perhaps it is hubris for us to even think of ourselves as smart (or aspiring to be average, in my case) at all.
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See how the lilies toil not getting ahead of themselves, or out of their depths, just Goldilocks all day.
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Moses_Davidson
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“When we hold joyful pure thoughts, our gladness will never leave us.” - Shodo Harada Roshi
I don't think he's trying to say, "just think happy thoughts, Peter Pan" but rather that the subject matter of our focus is what we become. Or, that the program we run in our CPU will determine, well... GIGO for those of you old enough to remember that one.
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redgreenvines
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the more you see the more it hurts so you have to be able to accept that and move on or dumb down
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