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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: ModularMind]
    #26680260 - 05/19/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sorry, but even RR is wrong sometimes. I'd love to see the biochemistry behind this energy.




Thermal energy?




Exposure to thermal energy doesn't necessarily require exposure to light.

But humans and mushrooms can't directly convert either into usable energy. They help us to conserve energy or to convert nutrients already within our bodies into more useful forms, but we require nutrients for usable energy


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26680271 - 05/19/20 04:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sorry, but even RR is wrong sometimes. I'd love to see the biochemistry behind this energy.




Thermal energy?




Exposure to thermal energy doesn't necessarily require exposure to light.

But humans and mushrooms can't directly convert either into usable energy. They help us to conserve energy or to convert nutrients already within our bodies into more useful forms, but we require nutrients for usable energy




And a shoebox in the freezer won’t fruit.
Where do the nutrients you require ultimately stem from?


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: ModularMind]
    #26680280 - 05/19/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sorry, but even RR is wrong sometimes. I'd love to see the biochemistry behind this energy.




Thermal energy?




Exposure to thermal energy doesn't necessarily require exposure to light.

But humans and mushrooms can't directly convert either into usable energy. They help us to conserve energy or to convert nutrients already within our bodies into more useful forms, but we require nutrients for usable energy




And a shoebox in the freezer won’t fruit.
Where do the nutrients you require ultimately stem from?




Thermal shoebox Tek:

First you're gonna need an earth, then a sun to shine on it.

Yes,of course any earthly organism ultimately requires that the sun exists, and no, of course a shoebox won't fruit in a freezer. That doesn't mean mushrooms convert light into usable energy


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: ModularMind]
    #26680284 - 05/19/20 04:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, in the end, 99% of life runs on the sun. I don't know how it's relevant to discussion here. Or thermal energy when we're talking about how light affects mushrooms.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: mushhead]
    #26680300 - 05/19/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Who suggested “converting light to energy”?
Light is energy.
Using light as a source of energy is done everywhere in many ways.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: ModularMind]
    #26680310 - 05/19/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Usable energy. Not energy. You know, something that your body can store and then use to power your muscles or brains.

Let's stop hijacking this thread now.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: ModularMind]
    #26680313 - 05/19/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Who suggested “converting light to energy”?
Light is energy.
Using light as a source of energy is done everywhere in many ways.




*Usable energy. As in energy that can be used to drive cell processes. Humans and mushrooms can't use photons for cellular respiration


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26680317 - 05/19/20 04:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’s not the point you refuted from that RR quote.

He said they are “using it as a source of energy”

You said “RR is wrong”

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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26680318 - 05/19/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Who suggested “converting light to energy”?
Light is energy.
Using light as a source of energy is done everywhere in many ways.




*Usable energy. As in energy that can be used to drive cell processes. Humans and mushrooms can't use photons for cellular respiration




No one suggested they did.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: plonbir]
    #26680324 - 05/19/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would leave them in the jar until they invitro pin or fully colonize.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: ModularMind]
    #26680328 - 05/19/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Who suggested “converting light to energy”?
Light is energy.
Using light as a source of energy is done everywhere in many ways.




*Usable energy. As in energy that can be used to drive cell processes. Humans and mushrooms can't use photons for cellular respiration




No one suggested they did.



Humans absorb heat and process vitamin D using the suns rays.
It has an effect on our mood and skin color. It can even damage us if we absorb to much light energy by epidermal dysplasia.
So yes in many ways humans use the suns energies.
I believe many fungus/mold work the same way.
WE don't need it persay, THEY don't need it persay, and we all love having it.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: mushhead]
    #26680332 - 05/19/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: mushhead]
    #26680346 - 05/19/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Who suggested “converting light to energy”?
Light is energy.
Using light as a source of energy is done everywhere in many ways.




*Usable energy. As in energy that can be used to drive cell processes. Humans and mushrooms can't use photons for cellular respiration




No one suggested they did.



Humans absorb heat and process vitamin D using the suns rays.
It has an effect on our mood and skin color. It can even damage us if we absorb to much light energy by epidermal dysplasia.
So yes in many ways humans use the suns energies.
I believe many fungus/mold work the same way.
WE don't need it persay, THEY don't need it persay, and we all love having it.




The point is that we're not using it to get energy.

Fiber can also be a source of energy and our bodies love having it. But it's not because we use it as a source of energy.

And yes, mushrooms also synthesise vitamin D using sunlight.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: poisoned]
    #26680352 - 05/19/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

But we do better for it, which is where you said RR was wrong, with regard to mushrooms and light.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: ModularMind]
    #26680379 - 05/19/20 05:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Of course we do, but neither we or mushrooms get any useful energy from it. Just like the fiber example.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: ModularMind] * 1
    #26680383 - 05/19/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So back to the OP, what was the advise here? Cause you all got lost on a RR right or wrong thread.

I imagine that your arguing semantics and light is beneficial to both mushrooms and humans. Who care why it is beneficial. Just put your jars in a light cycle 12/12 from the point of Inoculation through fruiting.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: mushhead]
    #26680422 - 05/19/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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ModularMind said:
Who suggested “converting light to energy”?
Light is energy.
Using light as a source of energy is done everywhere in many ways.




*Usable energy. As in energy that can be used to drive cell processes. Humans and mushrooms can't use photons for cellular respiration




No one suggested they did.



Humans absorb heat and process vitamin D using the suns rays.
It has an effect on our mood and skin color. It can even damage us if we absorb to much light energy by epidermal dysplasia.
So yes in many ways humans use the suns energies.
I believe many fungus/mold work the same way.
WE don't need it persay, THEY don't need it persay, and we all love having it.





That's the sunlight converting nutrients in our skin into a more useful form. Not our skin getting nutrients from the sunlight. They're already in our skin to begin with


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: Sockadin]
    #26681005 - 05/19/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with Sockadin, leave them until you see in vitro pinning.

If you can leave them in a room with ambient light, go for it. If you don't have that option, you can grow and pin in vitro in a completely dark room, it will work (I'm not saying this is the healthiest option for your myc, just that it will work).


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: Sockadin]
    #26682229 - 05/19/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mycelium grows in darkness. I keep my PF tek jars and grain and Agar in darkness after inoculation and it colonizes. That's an experimental proof that mycelium does not need light before fruiting. Try it.

Another proof is when a cheese gets moldy in the fridge. There is no light in the fridge either.

We can argue about the reason, but I hope we can agree that mycelium needs light to develop fruit bodies (mushrooms). I had my PF tek cakes on a 30W blue LED lamp for 1 hour a day, and I got nice flushes. It didn't matter what time of day. In this study they keep the light on for 24hrs a day:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23610542/
I read somewhere that they should have light for at least 1 hour a day.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: deda_mraz]
    #26682269 - 05/20/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Mycelium grows in darkness. I keep my PF tek jars and grain and Agar in darkness after inoculation and it colonizes. That's an experimental proof that mycelium does not need light before fruiting. Try it.

Another proof is when a cheese gets moldy in the fridge. There is no light in the fridge either.

We can argue about the reason, but I hope we can agree that mycelium needs light to develop fruit bodies (mushrooms).



You don't need to do experiments for that. 15 years ago, people colonised in complete darkness because they taught light will trigger early pinning.

Fruit bodies will also grow in complete darkness.

But it's beneficial in all phases to get them some light.


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