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Not colonized spots
    #26677182 - 05/17/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hi everyone! First time growing. I have 5 jars 2 of them are fully colonized and three has not colonized spots. Looks like vermiculite. Is it contamination's? if not what should i do? Its been a month.




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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: plonbir]
    #26677192 - 05/17/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They've looked the same for awhile? Leave them upright for about a week after full colonization. You can also wait until you see pins form inside.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: Mugnath]
    #26677198 - 05/17/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It looks like the myc is clearly avoiding those spots, possibly bacterial? If so don't throw them out, it'll just take a bit longer to colonize. as long as it doesn't mold out on you I'd use em.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: Mugnath]
    #26677642 - 05/17/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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They've looked the same for awhile?



Yes. I had a pictures from a week ago and everything is the same.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: plonbir]
    #26677681 - 05/17/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I had the same thing with two PF tek jars. I waited until they fully colonized it was 3 weeks longer than the other cakes. One had the best yield of ten cakes and the other the worst. I hope it's the best for you.

My theory is that it's two mycelial strains that are too polite and want to leave room for the other strain, or they can't decide, or they don't like each other. I'm only speculating.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: deda_mraz]
    #26677767 - 05/17/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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deda_mraz said:
I had the same thing with two PF tek jars. I waited until they fully colonized it was 3 weeks longer than the other cakes. One had the best yield of ten cakes and the other the worst.




Did u start fruiting them all together?


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: plonbir]
    #26678144 - 05/18/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You can always birth them and scrub away uncolonized parts.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: poisoned] * 1
    #26678172 - 05/18/20 04:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:
That myce looks super nice. If they have already been sitting not growing
for a week and there's nothing blocking the holes on those jars you're
probably good to go with this option.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: plonbir]
    #26678583 - 05/18/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No. I inoculated 10 jars at the same time. 8 of them colonized fully at the same time and I put these 8 into the fruiting chamber (FC).

I left the two outlier cakes in the jars and waited until they more or less fully colonized before putting them into the FC.

If it's your first grow: There are two different recommendations on when to birth the cakes, that I know of. One stratery A is one week after they fully colonize. The other strategy B is to wait for full colonization+1 week and put them into indirect light and wait until they start pinning in the jars.

My first grow I tried A and I had to wait two weeks or so after birthing before I saw pins. That was quite frustrating for me and for the cakes. They started to bruise (blue spots on them, which I thought was mold but it wasn't), probably too low humidity.
This time I'll try B. I hope it will save me and the cakes some headaches. I think they are happier in the jars, less contamination and higher humidity.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: deda_mraz]
    #26678860 - 05/18/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Your jars will appreciate light ever since they germinate. Also, contaminants don't matter after full colonization.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: poisoned]
    #26679502 - 05/18/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mycelium needs light only as a trigger and direction indication on where to shoot out mushrooms. Mycelium doesn't photosynthesize.

Contamination is less of a matter after full colonization that's true, the mycelium is strong enough to be put into a fruiting chamber. But after two flushes the mycelium gets weaker. The cleaner one works the longer the cakes survive -> more flushes.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: deda_mraz]
    #26679514 - 05/18/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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deda_mraz said:
Mycelium needs light only as a trigger and direction indication on where to shoot out mushrooms. Mycelium doesn't photosynthesize.

Contamination is less of a matter after full colonization that's true, the mycelium is strong enough to be put into a fruiting chamber. But after two flushes the mycelium gets weaker. The cleaner one works the longer the cakes survive -> more flushes.



Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

Mushrooms derive energy from light.

Also the mushroom will fruit as long as there are enough nutrients for it to use for fruiting..
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That is absolutely wrong.  Mushrooms don't use light for direction of growth.  Mushrooms grown in total darkness will still grow straight up, opposite gravity.

Mushrooms turn towards the light because they are using it as a source of energy.  That's why mushrooms grown with the proper amount and spectrum of light grow much larger and heavier than mushrooms grown with insufficient light.  It's also why light is just as important during the growth phase as it is during the pinning stage.
RR




EDIT: Humans don't photosynthesize and don't need the sun, but we sure do derive energy from it.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: mushhead]
    #26679606 - 05/18/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

From wikipedia:
"... While sunlight provides an energy source for plants, mushrooms derive all of their energy and growth materials from their growth medium, through biochemical decomposition processes. This does not mean that light is an irrelevant requirement, since some fungi use light as a signal for fruiting..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungiculture


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: deda_mraz]
    #26679612 - 05/18/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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deda_mraz said:
From wikipedia:
"... While sunlight provides an energy source for plants, mushrooms derive all of their energy and growth materials from their growth medium, through biochemical decomposition processes. This does not mean that light is an irrelevant requirement, since some fungi use light as a signal for fruiting..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungiculture



Lol wikipedia.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13262598

Trust RR my friend.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #26679638 - 05/18/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Follow the Rabbit, trust in him should you.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: rumfor69]
    #26680193 - 05/19/20 02:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, but even RR is wrong sometimes. I'd love to see the biochemistry behind this energy obtaining process.

And no, we don't get any energy from sunlight. It helps with synthesis of vitamin D tho. In ourselves and in mushrooms, but that's not the light from 6500K spectrum.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: poisoned]
    #26680206 - 05/19/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think anyone in here means fungi or humans derive energi from the sun in a direct metabolic way, like plants do with photosynthesis. But just compare your own mood/energy levels on a grey day with that of a sunny and nice day, and the results will be clear.

Ymmv ofc, gut generally I think most people are like me and are happier and more energetic when they get some of that good ol sunshine.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: poisoned]
    #26680216 - 05/19/20 03:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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poisoned said:
Sorry, but even RR is wrong sometimes. I'd love to see the biochemistry behind this energy.




Thermal energy?


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: ModularMind]
    #26680239 - 05/19/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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PMBastian said:
I don't think anyone in here means fungi or humans derive energi from the sun in a direct metabolic way, like plants do with photosynthesis. But just compare your own mood/energy levels on a grey day with that of a sunny and nice day, and the results will be clear.

Ymmv ofc, gut generally I think most people are like me and are happier and more energetic when they get some of that good ol sunshine.



I know what you're saying, but we're talking biology here and energy is a clearly defined thing in science.

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poisoned said:
Sorry, but even RR is wrong sometimes. I'd love to see the biochemistry behind this energy.




Thermal energy?



Since we're warm blooded animals, our bodies are capable of managing that on their own. And usually, recommended spectrum for mushrooms is 6500K which won't give you much in terms of thermal energy.


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Re: Not colonized spots [Re: poisoned]
    #26680250 - 05/19/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’s a bulb that’s recommended for indoor cultivation and it does put off heat.
Humans owe quite a bit to the heat and the rays of the sun.


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