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Offlinerezasmith
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Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow?
    #26676670 - 05/17/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Pretty much the title , i grew GT before and i was thinking to get some APE or penis envy but from what i've heard they're harder to grow? is it true ? if yes what's the main difference?
and i never tried spoors , i always buy some agar culture and transfer from that


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: rezasmith]
    #26676701 - 05/17/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My experience with PEs is they can be a little more finicky then the others. You may experience lower yields and blobs, but they are worth it!  Potent AF. I have have grown GTs in the past but I think they have a lot of undeserved hype. Cambodians, PF classics, B+ and Mazatapec are a lot  easier to grow then GTs.


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: Antigov]
    #26676711 - 05/17/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In my experience they are only slightly more difficult. I have found penis envy take a bit longer to pin, and they do much better with a casing layer. Other than that they are just as easy as GT's


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: rezasmith]
    #26676717 - 05/17/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Imo, they are no more difficult than any other cube. :shrug:


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: jbaby007]
    #26676731 - 05/17/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:ooo:


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: Whyterye]
    #26676782 - 05/17/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm surprised of how easy it was to start APE MS liquid culture, I was again blown away at how fast it colonized, and my grain jars from that liquid culture are looking fantastic.
I was pretty stressed out by how many people seem to find troubles with APE and then I got some spores to find it was as easy as any cube.
Once I got some LC onto agar I found that it got way easier to handle.
OP just go for it and grab some PE :3


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #26676791 - 05/17/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They are all cubes. They are all easy to grow. If you have clean spawn that is all you need. PE varieties can take longer to fruit, but they are all cubes.


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: mushhead]
    #26676798 - 05/17/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would like to ask you guys if you are doing anything differently when you are growing PE. 
So when you put PE to agar, are you still looking for rhizomorphic growth when you make your transfers?  What type of growth are you staying away from?  I don't want to end up with a tub of blobs. 
Also, do you all plan on some of your tubs not producing because of the genetic variation of this strain?
I have tried to grow PE a few times with little success.  But now, after seeing how successful some of you are with the strain, I would like to give it another shot.  Am I missing something? 
If anybody could answer these questions, I would be more than grateful.
Thanks


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: DigDug]
    #26676804 - 05/17/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I did some test side by side. Casing and no casing. Casing was needed to jump the pinning and produce big fruits. The ones without casing are producing little blows and barely any fruits. This is for pe. Ape is not ready yet.


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: DigDug]
    #26676809 - 05/17/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

PE tends to grow more slowly. Longer colonization time raises the odds of a contamination taking hold. That said, if you make sure have good clean cultures and spawn, it doesn't matter. If you're inoculating grains with spore solution, you might see higher rates of contamination with PE. Although I don't know that from experience because I've never inoculated jars with spore solution


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: Apples in Mono] * 1
    #26676822 - 05/17/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yeah MS syringe to grain is a shit shoot with any cube, especially PE since all my MS2G inoculations contaminated. I had to use LC2G and then LC2Agar but both those methods base off having clean myc all the way up to spawn.


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: mushhead]
    #26676852 - 05/17/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Woo!  This has got me pumped for my melmak and APE growing out on agar right now.


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: X-Ray Cat] * 1
    #26676871 - 05/17/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Melmak and ape don’t blob either so that’s always nice.


Regular PE is awesome, I’ve always had great yields from it and the only time I had a blobbing problem was from not casing it.


These were my first two ms PE grows, left the one uncased to see what happened and it was so bad I tried late casing but it didn’t help.



This was also the first month or two of my cult career so I wasn’t totally new but definitely no where near experienced at the time.


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26676901 - 05/17/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Holy crap AKA, thanks for the pics, what a difference!  Glad no blobbing.  Had some KSSS maybe a decade ago that blobbed on me, didn't even know what the strain was at the time.  Blobs suckkkkk!


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: X-Ray Cat]
    #26676938 - 05/17/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Due to how long the tubs need to sit for pinning, you want your spawn clean AF. Always good practice but more essential with these. If you're clean you're gunna get it.


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: Smartattack] * 1
    #26676992 - 05/17/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Damn AKA,
    You gave me inspiration.  I just went and put some PE to agar to give it another shot.  Thank you


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Re: Is Penis Envy or APE really harder than GT to grow? [Re: DigDug] * 1
    #26677071 - 05/17/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for all the input
so i most likely will start with agar culture of PE or any other strain for that matter , agar is just awesome
currently i'm struggling with bacteria a little bit so i have to get more experienced with the GT i have and then jump on PE or APE
i think thats the best thing i can do


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