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Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong?
    #26676243 - 05/17/20 04:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I wasn't sure whether to put this into the psychedelic experience subforum or this one - mods please free to move.

My first two shroom trips were with 2g of cubes, and I had a trip that fits in with the trip levels guide. Visuals, introspection, patterns on walls etc. Altered thoughts etc. My first trip was about 2 years ago now.

Since then, I've been growing shrooms at home for the past year - all sorts of cubes. I obtain the spores from a commercial seller, but I don't try to isolate strains - I just use basic teks like PF tek and basic monotub teks.

What puzzles me is that my shrooms seem to be one quarter as strong as the 2g that I had before. I dry them until they are cracker dry, using a desiccant, and I weigh them using an accurate scale, but they routinely are much less powerful than I'd expect.

This is using a variety of different types (B+, Amazonian, albino A+, thai etc etc). Most grown in a mix of coir and rye grain. Sizes very according to the genetics of the type. I add a bit of gypsum.

When I say mine are less powerful, I mean that I can take 2g of mine and not trip. The hardest I've ever tripped on my own shrooms, I took 5.92g of my shrooms combined with a syrian rue tea, and had about a level 3 trip. Noticeable visuals and a dreamy state, and it lasted a while. And made me sick for 3 days (thanks syrian rue!).

Interestingly, this doesn't seem to apply to microdosing. I can take 0.2g and "feel something". But it doesn't scale that well.

Any ideas? Am I missing a nutrient or something? Growing conditions wrong? Not enough light?


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: BlueWonder]
    #26676258 - 05/17/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You should start drying with a dehydrator and that should improve your results.

Otherwise, maybe dip your toes into some mutant varieties like PE. They are usually stronger than regular cubes.


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: poisoned]
    #26676281 - 05/17/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Dealer shrooms win again


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: CosmicGiggle]
    #26676336 - 05/17/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

try using a dehydrator. il bet the bank thats why you think they suck. its cuz when your using the method that you are using you may think they are cracker dry.  but in reality they are only as dry as the environment in which you are drying them. moisture, air and light are the top ways to lose potency. they degrade fast as hell that way. so you think you have them dry and then you store them and they just sit there losing all the goodies the entire time.

also are u on any kind of ssri/ antidepressant medications?? that will make shit seem weaker also.
but il bet the bank on your drying method. this comes up every couple months and i have actually had ppl argue with me over it who dont know any better.  so plz just trust me on this. im very confident that if u get a dehydrator and properly store them all your problems will go away. plus you should clone the good mushies you do get that way you can save the cultures and not have to gamble on ms every single time. or if you want some potent ass fruits grow pans. but your methods of cultivation will nit work for those. im sure lots of others will agree with my opinion


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: BlueWonder]
    #26676341 - 05/17/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have had the exact same experience.  I am chasing something I had 20 years ago.  I gave up on cubes and started trying to grow pans.  I failed the first time.  Second time I got about .6 grams which I was excited about.  Still haven't tried them but I am on my 3rd attempt and it is getting better.  I need to eat 7g to 10g of cubes to get anywhere near where I enjoy the experience.  Sometimes even then it is only level 2 or 3.


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: BlueWonder]
    #26676374 - 05/17/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What puzzles me is that my shrooms seem to be one quarter as strong as the 2g that I had before. I dry them until they are cracker dry, using a desiccant, and I weigh them using an accurate scale, but they routinely are much less powerful than I'd expect.


When I say mine are less powerful, I mean that I can take 2g of mine and not trip. The hardest I've ever tripped on my own shrooms, I took 5.92g of my shrooms combined with a syrian rue tea, and had about a level 3 trip.




Are you the only one who has tried these shrooms, or have others had similar experiences with your cubes?


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: greenmachine78]
    #26676404 - 05/17/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I have had the exact same experience.  I am chasing something I had 20 years ago.  I gave up on cubes and started trying to grow pans.  I failed the first time.  Second time I got about .6 grams which I was excited about.  Still haven't tried them but I am on my 3rd attempt and it is getting better.  I need to eat 7g to 10g of cubes to get anywhere near where I enjoy the experience.  Sometimes even then it is only level 2 or 3.




It's very personal and about how deep you want to go. On cubes I only dose 10 grams dry and higher, with tea.

Like you said, I also have an experience still to beat but that was on pans. Trying to grow me some of those this summer


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: Tweeq]
    #26676417 - 05/17/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nobody else has tried these, so no way to compare.

Not on any SSRIs or any other medication.

I dry them in my oven - I basically turn the fan on but with as little heat as possible. That gets them pretty dry, and I then put them into a sealed container with some desiccant, which dries them out until they feel cracker dry to me. They snap like twigs when fully dry.

I'm trying to grow pans, but to be honest, I can't even get the damn things to germinate! Never mind fruit.


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: BlueWonder] * 1
    #26676467 - 05/17/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

its your drying method man get a dehydrator.

and as for pans u really need to use agar man. you want to make sure you end up with the correct type of growth that will actually fruit and not just overlay your casing and sit there and eat and not fruit at all. you want light fast wispy looking growth. like this



as for getting the kind of growth you are looking for you need to make transfers away from what your not looking for like on here



B. i took several transfers from all around it
D. i took transfers from about the 6:30-11:30 areas and also at about 3:00 the area
E. i took transfers from about the 4:30-9:00 areas

then here is some pan cyan on rye



and here you can see why the correct type of growth is key. this is overlay. this shit will not fruit at all. it will just sit there and keep on eating.



pans are very picky on their environment when it comes to fruiting. i have tried monotubs and sgfcs and other methods and neither one is practical for pans. you need to have an actual fc that is designed for fruiting them if you really want it to be a worthy harvest. you can click the link in my signature to my pan fruiting write up. and i also have links to jakes and asuras write ups in there. so between all 3 you should have more than enough info to pull it off.

but first off please buy a dehydrator man. you will not regret it. especially for pans. they degrade even faster than cubes will. you can get a dehydrator at goodwill or another type store for 20$ or less most times. secondly get into  agar man it really is the way to go. it will save you lots of time and lots of headaches cuz you will be able to somewhat control the end result and not rely on a total roll of the dice.


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: jcm4620] * 1
    #26676483 - 05/17/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The ones you got years ago were likely a clone that somebody put a lot of work into and developed for potency.

That said the problems gotta be the drying method or maybe growing conditions.


I’ve grown like 15 types of cubes and only rarely had weaker than average batches.

Pans are awesome but you really gotta have timers and fog and stuff.


Have you ever grown PE? I recently did aa+ and haven’t tried it myself yet but I’ve been told it’s right behind PE. Plus both of them are high yielding.


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: BlueWonder]
    #26678161 - 05/18/20 04:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the advice everyone.

If Pans are that difficult to grow, then I'm unlikely to succeed. Frankly I'm a very lazy grower. My technique is getting better but not my laziness!

I do have timers and fans, which are useful for cubes. But as it happens I'm still not getting great yields from my cubes.

Anyway, I'll try to work on my dehydration technique - perhaps record more information about wet weight and dry weight. Dry weight is supposed to be 10% of wet weight when fully dry, right?

All of my preferred spore suppliers are out of stock, so I can't start a new grow yet. But, soon.


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: BlueWonder] * 1
    #26678173 - 05/18/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Dry weight might be even less, 8-5% even. I know my shrooms weight had 92% water and weren't even cracker dry...


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    #26678178 - 05/18/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

its all about the environment your drying in man. you can weigh and record and do all that shit but unless u actually use a dehydrator your chances of being actually 100% dry are slim to none. if your a lazy person. honestly how much more lazy can u get than something you just put them all in and hit a button and then take them out 24hrs ltr lol  spend the 20$


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26678236 - 05/18/20 06:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Timers and fans are pretty much useless for cubes.


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: poisoned]
    #26678253 - 05/18/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Timers and fans are pretty much useless for cubes.




Why?


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: BlueWonder]
    #26678274 - 05/18/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cuz they’ll thrive in such a wide range its not needed.

I’ve only done two tiny pans grows but ime it’s not that they’re hard to grow they’re just very particular.

It took a lot of dialing in but once I got it they exploded super fast with no maintenance just like cubes.

But if you let the fogger run out or forget to plug the timers in they’ll just keel over and die.


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Re: Homegrown cubes 1/4 as strong? [Re: BlueWonder]
    #26678290 - 05/18/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I just got my first MacMerdin cake to give me 5 of them but then it got trich. So I loaded up a few more for another go.


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