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H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act
    #26675098 - 05/16/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6666/text?r=2&s=1

"To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes."

"This Act may be cited as the “COVID–19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act”."


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01] * 3
    #26675134 - 05/16/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Abandon all hope, all ye who enter?


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26675176 - 05/16/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They will fail. Righteousness will prevail.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01]
    #26675752 - 05/16/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

they gonna come to your residence and probe your anus for COVID19


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26675905 - 05/16/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They can die trying.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01]
    #26675924 - 05/17/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If its a congressional bill president Trump will probably veto it and the senate will shoot it down before we have to do it again.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: lowbrow]
    #26675948 - 05/17/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Satan dies in the end...:smilingpuppy:


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26675960 - 05/17/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

this dude has faith in trump :facepalm:


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01] * 1
    #26675992 - 05/17/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Z33R01 said:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6666/text?r=2&s=1

"To authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to award grants to eligible entities to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID–19, and related activities such as contact tracing, through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals’ residences, and for other purposes."

"This Act may be cited as the “COVID–19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act”."


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I don't see anything controversial here. It just allots funding for grants for the things described and does not grant any special powers. Your added emphasis erroneously connects "at individuals’ residences" to "for other purposes". "For other purposes" is talking about what the funding can be used for.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #26676026 - 05/17/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well I sure dont have faith in the congress, and boy do they hate trump.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01] * 3
    #26676052 - 05/17/20 01:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They aren't coming near my door to knock on it if my dog is in her chain spot outside lol

But good luck trying to catch me at home anyways, I work 14-16 hours a day 7 days a week

That's my thoughts on it


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01]
    #26676110 - 05/17/20 02:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Not if I test them first, the bastards! Take THAT, government!


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26676112 - 05/17/20 02:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've looked at your avatar dozens of times and only just meow noticed that the dude playing the sax has a crocodile head


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26676119 - 05/17/20 02:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It's actually a rainbow trout head!

What you're seeing in the GIF is the animation of the photo shoot for the cover of Captain Beefheart's genre-transcending 1969 classic recording Trout Mask Replica (click pic to see full detail):



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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26676129 - 05/17/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If anything sounds particularly like getting raped in the ears, it's Trout Mask Replica.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26676133 - 05/17/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hence, the greatest Western Recording of the last 50 years!


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26676144 - 05/17/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

lol my bad
I shall check out this music thou speaketh of


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26676414 - 05/17/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

my city is hiring a lot of contact tracers

what is the problem


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: psi] * 2
    #26676458 - 05/17/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't see anything controversial here. It just allots funding for grants for the things described and does not grant any special powers. Your added emphasis erroneously connects "at individuals’ residences" to "for other purposes". "For other purposes" is talking about what the funding can be used for.




This.  Contact tracing is standard epidemiological practice.

I've never done it, but in the broadest sense it goes like this:  Someone tests positive for COVID then health authorities begin "contact tracing."  They ask them where they have been and who they have come in contact with the last few weeks.  This can let them notify others who may be exposed, but more importantly, they can identify patterns in disease spread.  For example, they may find out: "Hey, everyone who tests positive in the last month went to the same meat market, maybe we should do something about that."


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: badchad] * 1
    #26676463 - 05/17/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If we don’t test people for covid we can pretend an epidemic is not happening


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: koods]
    #26676635 - 05/17/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I can understand the reasoning behind this bill; however do you all not see the potential for abuse of power by it? Not to mention the fact the bill is literally numbered 6666; I know it's kind of silly, but we've all taken psychedelics; we've all seen the patterns while we're tripping haven't we? The symbolic meaning behind everything.

Have yall heard the guy from the WHO or whatever talking about going into people's homes and removing family members and isolating them; by force it sounds like since no mention of a choice is presented?

I'll post the link if I can find it.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01]
    #26676656 - 05/17/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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the bill is literally numbered 6666; I know it's kind of silly,




It’s more than a little silly and the mere fact that you’ve mentioned it means I’m not taking anything else you say seriously


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: koods]
    #26676686 - 05/17/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Forget about the number; that's just a symbol.

However you cannot deny giving the government the power to go into people's homes and detaining them because a government official has claimed that individual is infected or 'at risk' or something like that is incredibly dangerous and that such a power, given to the wrong person could be disastrous.

I mean you hate Trump right? Do you really want to give the Trump regime the power to go into your home and detain you if they say you are infected/at risk?

You know how easy it would be for Trump to tell someone to go to someone's home and 'test' them and declare them positive/whatever and thus detain them indefinitely?


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01]
    #26676697 - 05/17/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The government already has that power

Mandatory Quarantines are not some new concept in American society. It’s already legal to lock people up to prevent the spread of disease. Hawaii just arrested a guy for breaking quarantine last week. Thousands of people have been quarantined under guard since this epidemic started.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01] * 1
    #26676735 - 05/17/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Z33R01 said:

I mean you hate Trump right? Do you really want to give the Trump regime the power to go into your home and detain you if they say you are infected/at risk?

You know how easy it would be for Trump to tell someone to go to someone's home and 'test' them and declare them positive/whatever and thus detain them indefinitely?




Where does it mention detaining people?

I'll say it again:  contact tracing is a common epidemiological method for investigating disease outbreak.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: badchad]
    #26676956 - 05/17/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It might not be listed as 'detainment' but what do you think happens when they come to your house and test you? Already officials have spoken about how they plan to go into homes and to find infected individuals and to isolate them.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26676975 - 05/17/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If anything sounds particularly like getting raped in the ears, it's Trout Mask Replica.





I just gave a little listen to Trout Mask Replica for the first time -- you're not kidding!  I didn't think it possible for music to sound so awful and there is a lot of music I dislike.  This easily takes the gold for what constitutes getting ear raped by music.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Asclepius]
    #26676986 - 05/17/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01]
    #26676996 - 05/17/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Apologies.  :lol:




Also, I am not personally too worried about this bill.  From what I have read, it seems to contain what would amount to be pretty routine procedure in light of this pandemic.  Contact tracing is beneficial as it may prevent further infections in others.  And koods is right: the government has had the power for 10 or more years now to lock up U.S. citizens, without a trial, indefinitely.  If they want to do that, they can do it already and no one will care.   


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Edited by Asclepius (05/17/20 02:16 PM)


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Asclepius]
    #26677011 - 05/17/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is where you are wrong. The government has had the power to detain people indefinitely since the passing of The Patriot Act - you are correct - however, they couldn't get away with just detaining anyone they wanted; they needed excuses that the public would buy. Now they no longer require an excuse; they have a blanket excuse that can be used on anyone at anytime.

The potential for abuse of power is higher than it has ever been right now. And just FYI many people here probably don't like Trump very much, well Trump is the Commander and Chief as well as the president. This kind of power allows him and the government to detain anyone they disagree with and all they have to say is they were infected and boom; no further questions.

You're telling me that doesn't concern you?


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01] * 1
    #26677024 - 05/17/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Things like this concern me, for sure!  But I do not think this is the bill that will give them the authority to do what it is you believe.  If the government wants to fuck you, they can create any excuse at any time, with our without the passage of the bill you linked in the OP.  And then they will use the propaganda machine -- the mainstream media -- who will use the gift of spin to justify to the American people at large why it was a necessary action for them to make you disappear.  They can say it was for matters of national security and most people wouldn't even bat an eyelash... Most people would simply accept that narrative without giving it a second thought, and they would eventually forget all about you as you become yesterday's news.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Asclepius]
    #26677033 - 05/17/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is true what you say, but this bill and the orders being given by mayors / governors reduces your liberties even further and gives them even more power.

Have we all just given up? Is that it? The psychedelic community no longer stands up to injustice? Is the psychedelic movement where people stood up to armed MPs to protest against abuse of power dead?

What happened to us where we so easily accept tyranny now?

Is it cuz the aliens didn't land in 2012?


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    #26677081 - 05/17/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't accept it because I do not care.  I have no choice but to accept it because there is no winning against the machine.  Look what they did to the Hippie movement, occupy wall street, and many others where people spoke out against injustice.  Hell, look what the Democratic establishment did to one of their own -- Bernie Sanders -- because he spoke out for what he saw as an injustice: a lack of healthcare, poverty, and many other issues plaguing the wealthiest country in the history of the world.  They eat their own if their bank accounts are threatened.  And at the end of the day, that is what all this shit boils down to: money and power.   


Nothing changes, dude.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Asclepius]
    #26677099 - 05/17/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Does the sun rise after it has set?

"Why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves back up."

How many times does a baby fall before it learns to walk?

Just because the freedom movement has fallen doesn't mean it just gives up. Your examples are testament to that. After the Hippie Movement the Occupy Movement began. After the Occupy Movement fell the InfoWars Movement began. And once people see past the partisan propaganda that is made to divide and conquer the people the Freedom Movement - united across political and ideological boundaries - will rise and take power from those that seek to destroy freedom and independence and replace it with fear and domination.

It may be midnight, but that only means we are already halfway through the night and the sun will soon rise. And if I'm being honest, I believe we are past midnight already. I'd say we're at least around 3AM right now. Maybe around 3:30. Which means shit is going to get weirder, but fear not, for the lights of righteousness will begin to reveal themselves before the dawn of the sun.

Or so goes the book I'm writing.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01] * 1
    #26677265 - 05/17/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It might not be listed as 'detainment' but what do you think happens when they come to your house and test you? Already officials have spoken about how they plan to go into homes and to find infected individuals and to isolate them.




They perform standard epidemiological contact tracing.

Again, this is nothing new and a standard scientific methodology.  So I don't think it's about "giving up," or "tyranny."  It's just that when people dismiss the most obvious scenario (e.g., the government is providing more COVID funding to mitigate the pandemic) in favor of nonsensical, ridiculous conspiracy theories (really, the bill is number 666?) people don't take you seriously.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01] * 1
    #26677289 - 05/17/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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This is where you are wrong. The government has had the power to detain people indefinitely since the passing of The Patriot Act - you are correct - however, they couldn't get away with just detaining anyone they wanted; they needed excuses that the public would buy. Now they no longer require an excuse; they have a blanket excuse that can be used on anyone at anytime.

The potential for abuse of power is higher than it has ever been right now. And just FYI many people here probably don't like Trump very much, well Trump is the Commander and Chief as well as the president. This kind of power allows him and the government to detain anyone they disagree with and all they have to say is they were infected and boom; no further questions.

You're telling me that doesn't concern you?




The government has always had the power to detain people without charges for the entire history of this country. It’s one of the powers granted to congress in the constitution.

Congress can suspend the writ of habeas corpus, which is a person’s right to not be held in detention without formal charges. In effect, it is a suspension of your civil rights.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: koods]
    #26677718 - 05/17/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Okay. But as I stated twice now I think the difference here is that it provides them an alibi that few will bother to investigate. Whereas if an individual was arrested and detained for no reason other than being a political adversary the family and friends of that person would likely bring the situation to the news or online and it would spread and people would demand for that person's release. This has happened many times.

However, if you detain someone under the guise of isolating them for reasons pertaining to the virus, and then inform everyone that they cannot visit or see that person due to risk of infection, they can easily kill that person and blame it on the virus and no one would be the wiser.

Can you all not see that? This is how dictatorships and authoritarian governments operate. And everyone has been claiming Trump is a dictator and yet they are comfortable with the government having this kind of power.

It makes no sense to me. It feels like people are in denial big time or something.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Z33R01]
    #26677724 - 05/17/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Worry Worry Worry.

Those who do it say they're not doing it.

And then make endless threads about it and how we should all be afraid.


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Re: H.R. 6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26677749 - 05/17/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

We should feel some fear right now. Only a fool would not feel fear in the middle of a war. And believe it we are under attack my friend. We the people are under attack. The future of yourself and your family and your friends and their family and so on is at risk. However, a warrior should not allow fear to overcome him, he / she should use it to empower themselves and to propel them forward. Fear in combination of bravery and courage is what we currently need; desperately might I add. For the longer people remain in denial the worse off things will be.

That said I have faith in 'god'. So I believe reality is written; that destiny or fate is more or less real. I look at things less in the sense that this is our last life and more from the position of reincarnation. If we allow things to get worse on earth, naturally life will be suckier next go around. At least until this iteration is over and we respawn somewhere new; but that may be millennia from now or longer for all we know. All I know is I believe that if you see a woman being raped in an alley you have an obligation to defend her. Humanity is the woman. The elite are the rapists.

Epstein. Need I say more?


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