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Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize
    #26674740 - 05/16/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hi folks. Can someone help me understand why it's better to immediately put a fresh tub in fruiting conditions as opposed to waiting for full colonization? Thanks for the help.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: InfraredRick] * 1
    #26674747 - 05/16/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Because there's no such thing as pinning too early, healthy myc will always wait until its ready before growing pins. If you keep it in fruiting conditions it's free to make the switch whenever it wants/needs to.

That's my understanding at least.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: metaphoric]
    #26674754 - 05/16/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have read that tubs need the same kind of consolidation time as say BRF cakes.
You can put the tub in immediate fruiting conditions yes, but it will first consolidate before pinning in most cases.
Some cubes like B+ I've had more luck with keeping it locked up till it was fully consolidated in the tub, others have issues with it.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: mushhead]
    #26674914 - 05/16/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A while back some tc did side by sides and going straight to fruiting usually finished a couple days sooner without hurting the yield.


There’s some anecdotal evidence that keeping tubs in consolidation for like a month produces much more potent mushrooms though.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: A.k.a]
    #26675122 - 05/16/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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A while back some tc did side by sides and going straight to fruiting usually finished a couple days sooner without hurting the yield.


There’s some anecdotal evidence that keeping tubs in consolidation for like a month produces much more potent mushrooms though.



I think I've seen that thread around actually if you can find it I would post it.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: mushhead]
    #26675240 - 05/16/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I hope that's the case! I'm fruiting 3 giant bags of oats rn and each of them consolidated for a couple weeks before I cut them open. Never broke or crumbled it.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: A.k.a]
    #26675564 - 05/16/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the responses. I've been keeping tubs in GE till surface is totally white with mycelium before I replace the painters tape with poly and hit them with lights and a fan.  If PE I then case and wait till surface is white again. Last PE worked out GREAT, as did a PESA tub sans casing.  Ensured fruiting temps in low 60s, took forever but yield was good, fruits huge and hoo boy, potency was over the top.

I was under the impression that keeping the tub in ge till full consolidatiin was insurance against contams.

Please, more ideas. Thanks a bunch.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26675588 - 05/16/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I used to cover all my tubs in a large black plastic bag while consolidation progressed.
This does in a way add a layer of protection and keep your myc moist while it colonizes.
Now when doing this you will inevitably run out of O2 inside your tub however the myc doesn't need that much O2 to thicken up around substrate.
I only give it 4~5 days of consolidation time. That's just how I used to do it.
Now I am attempting the immediate fruiting environment method.
We'll see how that turns out.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26675594 - 05/16/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Because why wait longer? Fruit at spawn.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: eatyualive]
    #26675597 - 05/16/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Giving it the extra few days to consolidate produces better fruits.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #26675610 - 05/16/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I see no difference. Time is of the essence.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: eatyualive]
    #26675621 - 05/16/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's gorgeous.
I am doing a couple of my tubs with black bags like I used to.
Along side that I have three other tubs I didn't have bags for so I am attempting the immediate fruiting method.
We shall soon see I guess if there really is any big difference.
Though I have great faith it actually does make a difference.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #26675629 - 05/16/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Over time 3 extra days adds up. If you do multiple tubs all year long thats 3 days extra per tub. Multiply that times a year. Forget about it if you have 20 plus tubs. In the end if you did 20 side by sides you would get mixed results but probably close enough that the extra 3 days isn’t worth it. Just my perspective. I’ve done it both ways many times. I prefer the method that takes less time to achieve end result.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: eatyualive]
    #26675631 - 05/16/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If anything I’d think keeping a tub sealed up during colonization would be the more contamination prone of the two methods. Not that it would be very contam prone since it definitely works but I’d say more so than allowing fresh air from the jump. You’re spawning in open air into an unsterile tub with often unsterile substrate. All the nasties you could want are already in there you’re just betting on your myc winning since it’s already growing full strength and you have it spread throughout the whole thing in 3D


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26675639 - 05/16/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A friend was using some gear to measure co2 levels in tubs the other day. They were jumping from like 600-5000ppm in a matter of minutes with no fan blowing. Interesting stuff.


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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: eatyualive]
    #26677657 - 05/17/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, thanks again for the ideas. I'm not growing for anything but personal, one of two tubs at a time every 6 months or so, if that. So, for me, quality is way more important than quantity. Don't care about fast especially if slow produces increased potency. Makes a lot of sense that keeping the mono in ge doesn't help a bit with contams, that was a good redirection.

Measuring co2 levels is a fascinating idea. We use regulators and controllers for our weed tents.

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Re: Mono tub, immediate fruiting vs. allowing to fully colonize [Re: eatyualive]
    #26677825 - 05/17/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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A friend was using some gear to measure co2 levels in tubs the other day. They were jumping from like 600-5000ppm in a matter of minutes with no fan blowing. Interesting stuff.




very interesting stuff indeed  ,

i've always wanted to use one on my tubs , so , fan blowing it would clear up ? what kinda hole setup ? 

i currently have aprox 80 tubs in a single room and they are starting to fruit , the first one was not a good flush i'm blaming fae and lack of evaporation , maybe is high co2 levels >? 

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