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General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? * 3
    #26674524 - 05/16/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)




as an ultimate culture clash, I dropped a pizza's worth of ad money on Facebook to expose residents of English speaking African countries to this rather peculiar spiritual message that is not quite what's taught in church and mosque and not quite whats handed down in native lore.

Surprisingly, its doing rather well.

My Spirit Guide put me up to making the video, uploading copies here and there and in this case, to spread it to the heart of Africa.

Culture shock galore, still its received rather well.

Sponsored Message: What. The. Fuck.


How does this affect you? Belief or disbelieve, its a lot of stuff you might have heard before, but out in the boondocks, that is different.

Please give me your opinion.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26674546 - 05/16/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Something is wrong with the sound.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26674549 - 05/16/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What are you hearing?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26674551 - 05/16/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

background noise, no talking.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Crazy_Horse] * 1
    #26674583 - 05/16/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

thats exactly what you should hear :smile:


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26674627 - 05/16/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: cannabinated]
    #26674748 - 05/16/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Like most advertising it’s riddled with falsehoods and mistakes, almost too many to count least of all the quantum physics mistakes and misunderstandings. Quantum physics doesn’t apply to the macro world. You are not the universe and everyone isn’t you. When I hurt someone else I am not hurting myself. This is all demonstrably false, especially the part about making things better, because there is no such thing as better. I mean you being everything leads to nihilism in the end, nothing matters. In fact why not kill yourself so you don’t have to worry about making things better? I mean there would be no need to if everything is gone and it’s way easier than struggling.

It would honestly take too long to point out everything wrong with this video.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Thanatos10] * 7
    #26674771 - 05/16/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'd be highly alarmed if you liked a single aspect of the video.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26674829 - 05/16/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I watched this before in another thread where you posted it. It is a goodhearted message, but I am not sure how true some of the statements are. I definitely wouldn't take this video as dogma, but food for thought more like. The most important perspective is that every person is you. That creates the most positive change.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26674832 - 05/16/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah let me ask about the background noise, the muffled talking, what is the point of that?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26674848 - 05/16/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Can you make it be more like this?




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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26674854 - 05/16/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah let me ask about the background noise, the muffled talking, what is the point of that?





An extreme, unearthly thunderstorm wherein softly in the background a piece of spirit song, taught me by the spirit of salvia, is sang like a mantra.

That has too many and too specific reasons to mention.

Its good for you, though.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26674904 - 05/16/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I watched this before in another thread where you posted it. It is a goodhearted message, but I am not sure how true some of the statements are. I definitely wouldn't take this video as dogma, but food for thought more like. The most important perspective is that every person is you. That creates the most positive change.




I wouldn't say that does create positive change because it would depend on how people tend to view themselves. Like "it's not murder if it's suicide" is something that could be taken from this. Or leaving someone to starve because "I'm not hungry".

You see where I'm going with this.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26674930 - 05/16/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In other words: treat others the way you would want to be treated, what is good for your soul, let's say, but you wouldn't get that so don't even try


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26675000 - 05/16/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think the video is great Asante, really great.

I wholeheartedly agree with all therein.

I think you said you made it?

Can you attach it?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26675040 - 05/16/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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In other words: treat others the way you would want to be treated, what is good for your soul, let's say, but you wouldn't get that so don't even try




It's more like the message can easily be twisted. There is no one definition of what is "best" to point to that one can work towards. Everything you mentioned can be  interpreted many ways. Like if I said I wanted eternal agony for myself and for all because I thought it was best, who are you to say it isn't. I am treating others the way I want to be treated. What if agony is good for my soul (assuming there is one).


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26675048 - 05/16/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Does it hurt to be you?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26675051 - 05/16/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

LOL, do you even need to ask?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26675085 - 05/16/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I told you wouldnt get it :shrug:


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26675097 - 05/16/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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LOL, do you even need to ask?




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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26675100 - 05/16/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I think the video is great Asante, really great.

I wholeheartedly agree with all therein.

I think you said you made it?

Can you attach it?





Thank you very much for your endorsement!

I cant attach it but Youtube videos are readily downloaded through services like http://ytmp3.cc/ just paste the link, select MP4, download, delete the spam page that opens unxeen and its on your desktop.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26675107 - 05/16/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Asante, if you had to choose: are you helping the sun rise or set?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Z33R01] * 2
    #26675130 - 05/16/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I rather help the sunrise, the Yang, the New Dawn, than the sunset, the Yin, the Old Dusk

The Universe eternally rejuvinates itself. God loves all things but he loves newborns the most.

Old people destroy the earth, a newborn virus destroys old people's capacity to do so.

What did it evolve from? From the very mess we make of things.

You got to turn a blind eye not to see.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26675189 - 05/16/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting. So would you agree with me that Babylon (the worshipers of darkness, destruction, and wickedness) are fast approaching the end of their rule?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26675190 - 05/16/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I told you wouldnt get it :shrug:




I do get it, I just also get how people can twist that around to fit whatever view they have about what constitutes "good". Don't they say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26675197 - 05/16/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You dont get what is good for your "soul". Stop being so negative.


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    #26675225 - 05/16/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Interesting. So would you agree with me that Babylon (the worshipers of darkness, destruction, and wickedness) are fast approaching the end of their rule?





Babylon is falling in our lifetime, we're witnessing it. But Babylon is the abomination, not its agents, so we change out minds and start moving towards Zion.

All the world is Zion, Africa at its center, we all need to shake off the yoke of Babylonian rule. We all can choose to further Babylon or Zion, choice has always been ours.

We're headed for a whopper of a paradigm shift.

To put it in Rastafarian terms :rastafari:


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26675287 - 05/16/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I like the video.
It leaves me feeling calm and content and more empathetic towards others.

My question is: why does the Universe reward good behavior?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26675300 - 05/16/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Good behavior and bad behavior are self correcting because its upon another guise of you that you commit it.

What you direct outward always directs inwards.




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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26675372 - 05/16/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a little confused by what you mean.
Are you saying that it's human nature to not be good or bad?  Our natural state is neutral with regards to doing good or bad deeds?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26675432 - 05/16/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm a little confused by what you mean.
Are you saying that it's human nature to not be good or bad?  Our natural state is neutral with regards to doing good or bad deeds?




No what I mean is, since the other is also you, in another lifetime, doing them harm hurts you both ways and doing them good helps you both ways.

If I commit a crime on you, you become a victim and I become a criminal. Both of us are disadvantaged by this. If I do something wonderful for you, I elevate you and myself.

ESPECIALLY SINCE BOTH OF US ARE THE SAME PERSON IN DIFFERENT LIFETIMES.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26675492 - 05/16/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You dont get what is good for your "soul". Stop being so negative.




"Good" is relative. What is good for the spider is chaos for the fly.

It's largely why Astante is wrong.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 3
    #26675497 - 05/16/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Are you saying that it's human nature to not be good or bad?  Our natural state is neutral with regards to doing good or bad deeds?



You need to think way, way, way outside the box here. Forget human nature. That shit is for the birds.

What Asante is referring to is a concept - inherently improvable by science - but one which I have experienced directly, along with other philosophical heavyweights over the years.

Alan Watts, springs instantly to mind.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26675648 - 05/16/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm a little confused by what you mean.
Are you saying that it's human nature to not be good or bad?  Our natural state is neutral with regards to doing good or bad deeds?




No what I mean is, since the other is also you, in another lifetime, doing them harm hurts you both ways and doing them good helps you both ways.

If I commit a crime on you, you become a victim and I become a criminal. Both of us are disadvantaged by this. If I do something wonderful for you, I elevate you and myself.

ESPECIALLY SINCE BOTH OF US ARE THE SAME PERSON IN DIFFERENT LIFETIMES.





ahhh okay, gotcha. 
But, are you implying that there is an equal amount of good and bad in the world, following the yin n yang thought process?


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    #26675885 - 05/16/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There is a proportional amount of Yin and Yang in every life, and therefore, in the world.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26676017 - 05/17/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Well we now know the fun of this thread is going to be sucked right out.

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Like most advertising it’s riddled with falsehoods and mistakes,


where

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almost too many to count least of all the quantum physics mistakes and misunderstandings.




He seemed pretty accurate

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Quantum physics doesn’t apply to the macro world.




Yes, it does.

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You are not the universe and everyone isn’t you.


No, he’s quite right on this one.

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When I hurt someone else I am not hurting myself.


I don’t think you’ll ever understand this one.  Why are you on a psychedelic forum?

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This is all demonstrably false,


No, it isn’t.

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especially the part about making things better,


My attention span was lost by this part.  Congratulations.

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because there is no such thing as better.


Yes there is.

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I mean you being everything leads to nihilism in the end,


This is subjective.  Even Neitzsche hated nihilism.

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nothing matters.


. Like I said, you try to suck the fun out of everything, but you’re totally not a sociopath.

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In fact why not kill yourself so you don’t have to worry about making things better?


the fun-suck vacuum cleaner strikes again.

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I mean there would be no need to if everything is gone and it’s way easier than struggling.


well, i told everybody you have sociopathic tendencies, and I appreciate you confirming this.

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It would honestly take too long to point out everything wrong with this video.




Give it a try.  Ill shoot you down with cold calculated logic and science every step of the way.

To assante.

I think your video was wordy.  But I cant really disagree with it. I appreciate your attempt to put positive energy back into the universe.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26676145 - 05/17/20 03:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don't feed the troll :trollz:


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26676278 - 05/17/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You’re hitting on two pretty fundamental Christian principles, the ‘whatsoever you do to the least of men you do to me etc’ and the double edge sword logic..  you/I. :hatsoff:


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    #26676814 - 05/17/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26677563 - 05/17/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Well we now know the fun of this thread is going to be sucked right out.

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Like most advertising it’s riddled with falsehoods and mistakes,


where

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almost too many to count least of all the quantum physics mistakes and misunderstandings.




He seemed pretty accurate

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Quantum physics doesn’t apply to the macro world.




Yes, it does.

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You are not the universe and everyone isn’t you.


No, he’s quite right on this one.

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When I hurt someone else I am not hurting myself.


I don’t think you’ll ever understand this one.  Why are you on a psychedelic forum?

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This is all demonstrably false,


No, it isn’t.

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especially the part about making things better,


My attention span was lost by this part.  Congratulations.

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because there is no such thing as better.


Yes there is.

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I mean you being everything leads to nihilism in the end,


This is subjective.  Even Neitzsche hated nihilism.

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nothing matters.


. Like I said, you try to suck the fun out of everything, but you’re totally not a sociopath.

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In fact why not kill yourself so you don’t have to worry about making things better?


the fun-suck vacuum cleaner strikes again.

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I mean there would be no need to if everything is gone and it’s way easier than struggling.


well, i told everybody you have sociopathic tendencies, and I appreciate you confirming this.

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It would honestly take too long to point out everything wrong with this video.




Give it a try.  Ill shoot you down with cold calculated logic and science every step of the way.

To assante.

I think your video was wordy.  But I cant really disagree with it. I appreciate your attempt to put positive energy back into the universe.




I don't think insisting otherwise makes my points any less valid, and I realize that is the pot calling the kettle black.

That said the video raises too many questions and contradictions for me rather than answering anything. I still stand by my point about good, since from what I can tell with history it tends to mean whatever people want it to mean. That's why I questioned the "good" aspect.

Other questions that came to mind were: If you are me then why tell me this? Why do you forget everything and be reborn? How do you know you are reborn? Why is the point to become gods and if so then what's after that? Also why become gods? How can this be verified if you forget everything when you are reborn and how can you know there is a "soul" (Buddhism doesn't argue for it unlike Hinduism). Also if everyone is me then how can I care about what happens to me while someone else does not care what happens to them? Also why should one care and can one opt out of this reincarnation cycle? Lastly how can I be sure any of it is true?

That's just a handful but I have more questions beyond those which is why I cannot really believe such a claim. Also I still think it very much leads to nihilism in the same way solipsism does. It's not the first time I have heard people say this sort of thing but when I asked them about it further the answers didn't really tell me anything that made it clearer.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26677831 - 05/17/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I appreciate you revealing your sociopathic tendencies.  That cat is finally out of the bag.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: lowbrow]
    #26678470 - 05/18/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Soooo......asking questions makes me a sociopath?


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    #26678500 - 05/18/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Not gonna lie the words were dope but the background sounded exactly like the first demon they encounter on black clover, when he finally uses the grimoire for the first time. 10/10 legit.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26678516 - 05/18/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Not gonna lie the words were dope but the background sounded exactly like the first demon they encounter on black clover, when he finally uses the grimoire for the first time. 10/10 legit.





Actually thats my voice singing spirit song :lol:


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26679270 - 05/18/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hahaha I'm sorry man dont take it wrong I thought it sounded cool just reminded me of the anime lol


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    #26679320 - 05/18/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not the least bit offended, don't worry :smile:


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26679466 - 05/18/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Good cos I thought it sounded cool I'm not implying you are a demon lmao :shroomeryhead:


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Asante]
    #26679627 - 05/18/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Some of the concepts are interesting. I can potentially get down with we are the universe experiencing itself. But most of the concepts are too spiritual for me.

But the awkward part about this is that it makes me feel ok with the want I have to do coke and bang hookers essentially cheating on my fiance. Cause if we're all just the same, what's the harm in it? :shrug:


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: deadwk]
    #26680740 - 05/19/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Some of the concepts are interesting. I can potentially get down with we are the universe experiencing itself. But most of the concepts are too spiritual for me.

But the awkward part about this is that it makes me feel ok with the want I have to do coke and bang hookers essentially cheating on my fiance. Cause if we're all just the same, what's the harm in it? :shrug:




An issue I had with the whole thing. If everything is “me” then it wouldn’t really matter what happens to “everyone else “ because there is no one else. The rest of the video doesn’t follow from that one point. Part of the reason I follow some level of morality is because other people exist and they have their own lives. I can lead myself to destruction but I’ll be damned if I take anyone with me. I don’t really care what happens with my life but other people aren’t me, so in a sense that matters to me.


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    #26680748 - 05/19/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Other people are you, in another lifetime.

Your idea that suicide is acceptable but homicide is not applies to this universe too, because another instance of you who's lived a different life is as good as a different person and generally regards themselves as different from you.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: deadwk]
    #26680912 - 05/19/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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But the awkward part about this is that it makes me feel ok with the want I have to do coke and bang hookers essentially cheating on my fiance. Cause if we're all just the same, what's the harm in it? :shrug:



Because by harming her by your actions (which that path eventually will) you also harm yourself.

It's really quite elementary, once you wrap your head around it.


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26680915 - 05/19/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I don’t really care what happens with my life but other people aren’t me, so in a sense that matters to me.



Wait, you've done a 180 on the whole 'other people are figments of my imagination' shite?


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Re: General population of the Shroomery, what do you think of this video? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26680984 - 05/19/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Other people are you, in another lifetime.

Your idea that suicide is acceptable but homicide is not applies to this universe too, because another instance of you who's lived a different life is as good as a different person and generally regards themselves as different from you.




That still doesn't answer my question though, if they are all "me" they why does it matter what happens to them? More to the point what is the point of becoming a "God"? This just sounds like nihilism to me and has the same issues I had with solipsism. If everything is just projections I made up then there isn't a point to anything. If everything is just me then why do anything at all? Actually why is the point to become a God? What then?

It just seems like the more explanations I hear the more I take this to be false and that we aren't the universe. We are just fleshy creatures crafting meaning in life. Because it seems to me that makes more sense than what you believe.
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But the awkward part about this is that it makes me feel ok with the want I have to do coke and bang hookers essentially cheating on my fiance. Cause if we're all just the same, what's the harm in it? :shrug:



Because by harming her by your actions (which that path eventually will) you also harm yourself.

It's really quite elementary, once you wrap your head around it.




Is it? I mean this whole time it just seems like you are asserting that they are me when there doesn't seem to be anything to suggest that to be the case. From the view of really...anyone the only person being harmed is her, not him or anyone else. It's like if I punched someone else, my face doesn't hurt at all.
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I don’t really care what happens with my life but other people aren’t me, so in a sense that matters to me.



Wait, you've done a 180 on the whole 'other people are figments of my imagination' shite?




Not 180 degrees, it's more like a slow and painful process.


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    #26681306 - 05/19/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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But the awkward part about this is that it makes me feel ok with the want I have to do coke and bang hookers essentially cheating on my fiance. Cause if we're all just the same, what's the harm in it? :shrug:



Because by harming her by your actions (which that path eventually will) you also harm yourself.

It's really quite elementary, once you wrap your head around it.




Makes sense actually

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Is it? I mean this whole time it just seems like you are asserting that they are me when there doesn't seem to be anything to suggest that to be the case. From the view of really...anyone the only person being harmed is her, not him or anyone else. It's like if I punched someone else, my face doesn't hurt at all.





I dont' think its so much that you punch someone you'll get punched back. More so that doing harm onto others will increase your likelihood of being attacked back either physically, spiritually, etc..


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    #26681347 - 05/19/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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That still doesn't answer my question though, if they are all "me" they why does it matter what happens to them?





Because you are not worthless, Thanatos :makesmecry:

You are not worth less than another person, so if that other person is another instance of you living another life, they are just as valuable as another person.

You are fixated on personal worthlessness and thats mental illness.

If any instance of you living any possible life is worthless for being you, then you have severely impaired self esteem.

If you are all there is, you are of infinite value, because nothing else exists to diminish it.


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