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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: rezasmith]
#26676604 - 05/17/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Use tap water. Don't over complicate things. Tap water is fine for mushrooms. Even if their are heavy metals and shit. It's not like your going to get enough mushrooms to kill you in the short term. You get way more poison from your food and the sun.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: Sockadin]
#26676612 - 05/17/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Use tap water. Don't over complicate things. Tap water is fine for mushrooms. Even if their are heavy metals and shit. It's not like your going to get enough mushrooms to kill you in the short term. You get way more poison from your food and the sun.
my concern is mostly about agar dishes , today i was just looking at the 8 new plate i made and i let it sit for 2 days to spot if there is any contam
and i spot 4 out of 8 plates to be contaminated - and its no pour so i don't know what im doing wrong , i have 2 layers of micropore on top of the lid too
could it be because of stacking in pressure cooker? i stack them like 4*2 and 4 got contaminated so could that be the problem?
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: rezasmith]
#26676621 - 05/17/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Use tap water. Don't over complicate things. Tap water is fine for mushrooms. Even if their are heavy metals and shit. It's not like your going to get enough mushrooms to kill you in the short term. You get way more poison from your food and the sun.
my concern is mostly about agar dishes , today i was just looking at the 8 new plate i made and i let it sit for 2 days to spot if there is any contam
and i spot 4 out of 8 plates to be contaminated - and its no pour so i don't know what im doing wrong , i have 2 layers of micropore on top of the lid too
could it be because of stacking in pressure cooker? i stack them like 4*2 and 4 got contaminated so could that be the problem?
Tap water isn't your problem. If they are unopened I'd blame your filter or lids. Maybe sterilization cycle but I don't think so. Are you venting pc? What kind of container are you using for no pours.
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Edited by gizmo1 (05/17/20 10:37 AM)
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: gizmo1]
#26676626 - 05/17/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Definitely not tap water. I use it all the time and the only time I get a contam on a plate is after I have opened it because my sterile technique sucks. Which is rare.
Hard water and heavy metals don't contaminate pour or no pour. Like Gizmo said are you venting PC? Try holygrail containers if you are using mini rounds.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: gizmo1]
#26676627 - 05/17/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Use tap water. Don't over complicate things. Tap water is fine for mushrooms. Even if their are heavy metals and shit. It's not like your going to get enough mushrooms to kill you in the short term. You get way more poison from your food and the sun.
my concern is mostly about agar dishes , today i was just looking at the 8 new plate i made and i let it sit for 2 days to spot if there is any contam
and i spot 4 out of 8 plates to be contaminated - and its no pour so i don't know what im doing wrong , i have 2 layers of micropore on top of the lid too
could it be because of stacking in pressure cooker? i stack them like 4*2 and 4 got contaminated so could that be the problem?
Tap water isn't your problem. If they are unopened I'd blame your filter or lids. Maybe sterilization cycle but I don't think so. Are you venting pc? What kind of container are you using for no pours.
nope , these are pretty airtight , i'm just wondering why all havent contammed(and its all bacterial)
this is one of the plates i did transfer from : (310ml pp5 container)

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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: rezasmith]
#26676628 - 05/17/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I blame the scalpel if you have opened them and they contaminated.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: Sockadin]
#26676630 - 05/17/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: I blame the scalpel if you have opened them and they contaminated.
problem is the ones i didn't even open got contammed , not too much but i spot a tiny dot of bacteria in almost all 4
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: Sockadin]
#26676632 - 05/17/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Definitely not tap water. I use it all the time and the only time I get a contam on a plate is after I have opened it because my sterile technique sucks. Which is rare.
Hard water and heavy metals don't contaminate pour or no pour. Like Gizmo said are you venting PC? Try holygrail containers if you are using mini rounds.
hmm how long should i vent? i let the water boil and close the PC , let it whistle and then put the weight on and when it whistle again i let it for 25min
Edited by rezasmith (05/17/20 10:45 AM)
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: rezasmith]
#26676634 - 05/17/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Use tap water. Don't over complicate things. Tap water is fine for mushrooms. Even if their are heavy metals and shit. It's not like your going to get enough mushrooms to kill you in the short term. You get way more poison from your food and the sun.
my concern is mostly about agar dishes , today i was just looking at the 8 new plate i made and i let it sit for 2 days to spot if there is any contam
and i spot 4 out of 8 plates to be contaminated - and its no pour so i don't know what im doing wrong , i have 2 layers of micropore on top of the lid too
could it be because of stacking in pressure cooker? i stack them like 4*2 and 4 got contaminated so could that be the problem?
Tap water isn't your problem. If they are unopened I'd blame your filter or lids. Maybe sterilization cycle but I don't think so. Are you venting pc? What kind of container are you using for no pours.
nope , these are pretty airtight , i'm just wondering why all havent contammed(and its all bacterial)
this is one of the plates i did transfer from : (310ml pp5 container)


If it's bacteria could be your sterilization cycle. Not sure what you mean by airtight but I was talking about venting the pressure cooker before sterilization. If you haven't been you need to vent steam for atleast a full 10 minutes before putting the rocker weight on the pressure cooker. Could very well be your problem. I guess it's not polite to detail someone elses thread though. If you would like more help you can either start a thread or message me and I will try to help you figure it out if this hasn't helped you already.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: gizmo1]
#26676749 - 05/17/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Drinking distilled water is fine. The second it hits the glass/your stomach it reaches equilibrium with molecules that are present there. It in no way leeches nutes, I don't give 2 shits about the "evidence" to the contrary.
If you have food in your stomach, and then drink distilled water, the nutes in the food get absorbed by the water and then you digest the water. Please, explain to me how those nutes are lost when you digest the water anyway?
The myths behind distilled water are ridiculous. If you're that worried put a teaspoon of baking soda into a gallon of distilled water and voila, your water now has ions.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26676765 - 05/17/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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But, but ... The Kangen water people are gonna come after you Nate!
Don't fuck with their triangle.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: Smartattack]
#26676850 - 05/17/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Smartattack said: Definitely super happy to live in a rural area with a deep never ending well of water better than I can buy. Seemingly small thing but I'd be pissed to go back to town bullshit.
so much. Having quality water coming out your tap is basically a mastercard commercial.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26677125 - 05/17/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Drinking distilled water is fine. The second it hits the glass/your stomach it reaches equilibrium with molecules that are present there. It in no way leeches nutes, I don't give 2 shits about the "evidence" to the contrary.
If you have food in your stomach, and then drink distilled water, the nutes in the food get absorbed by the water and then you digest the water. Please, explain to me how those nutes are lost when you digest the water anyway?
The myths behind distilled water are ridiculous. If you're that worried put a teaspoon of baking soda into a gallon of distilled water and voila, your water now has ions.
Even normal water can dilute you down to the point of death Distilled and or deionized would just do it faster. And in general isn't good to drink.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
You don't lose nutes or ions. You lose osmotic balance
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26677138 - 05/17/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You guys make me realize that it's true. If you have salt in your diet, distilled water doesn't matter at all.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: RebeccaBlack]
#26677308 - 05/17/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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id just buy a brita filter and declare victory.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26677374 - 05/17/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Except that water intoxication can and will happen with any kind of water 
Evidence for it happening faster with distilled water?
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26677439 - 05/17/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Except that water intoxication can and will happen with any kind of water 
Evidence for it happening faster with distilled water?
"Water intoxication is a matter of electrolytic dilution. Water is not literally a toxin, it acts passively in that, in excess it will dilute the necessary minerals needed in the body. Theoretically if you added the necessary supplements (salt, magnesium, etc) to your water, you could drink much more that of distilled water without effect." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AWater_intoxication
They both will cause water intoxication, without the benefit of added electrolytes in non distilled water however, you will reach an imbalance sooner when consuming water containing zero electrolytes.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: Mugnath]
#26677705 - 05/17/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That MAY be true if you don't eat any foods that contain any salts. Literally the second the water hits your stomach, it reaches equilibrium with the conditions therein.
Still not buying it
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26677713 - 05/17/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Where do people think water goes after drinking it?
It mixes with stomach contents, goes to small intestines where it's absorbed. If I ground up a hamburger and soaked it in distilled water, is it still distilled water or has it absorbed shit from the burger? Same shit is happening in your stomach.
Distilled water "science" is a farce.
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Re: Is Distilled/ Deionized water actually bad? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26677714 - 05/17/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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How does it reach equilibrium without sequestering ions due to concentration gradient made by it originally having none.
Look man you talked about the leeching being bs and while it's not the cause of death it is also not really BS.
The cause of death is drinking so much water as to throw off your own balance. It's a closed system unless you take a piss. Dilution not leeching.
It's fine for your grow or to have a glass. But why it costs a lot more than anything else that's made for drinking besides figi water
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