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OfflinePneuma1
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Going Darkside of the web
    #26673855 - 05/16/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you in advance for any assistance I receive here, apologies if this runs on a bit.
Given the state of things its become clear that adaptations are needed.
One adaptation is using computer tech for more than YouTube and text etc.
I'm fairly confident that tor has been compromised to some extent, but realistically, my personal need to source information and marketplaces is not on the DEA or FBI's radar. They would be better served keeping systems in place, continuing there investigations and conducting business without upsetting that ecosystem.

I am more concerned with exposing myself in public lol, what i mean is being an easy target on the darkweb encase I didn't use proper protocol.
I am also concerned with spending to much Money on a PC and having more than what i need or spending to little and not having enough power.

I have been researching. I decided to buy a refurbished desk top to use for deepweb darkweb purposes, and keep my surface pro for surface web.

my method so far i load a Ubuntu OS
A pay vpn like express or nord
running tor though Tails.
The PC im looking at should have all the compatibly i should need.

$209 Dell Optiplex 790 Core i5 3.1GHz, 1TB Hard Drive, 16GB Memory, Windows 10 x64, Dual 19 Monitors i checked the specs they seam fine

I guess im asking does that seam like to much computer or cash investment, for use the dark web.
im all ears for impute and suggestions. :computertrip:


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Re: Going Darkside of the web [Re: Pneuma1]
    #26673901 - 05/16/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You already exposed yourself.

You revealed you don't have a VPN and you have posted here thus I can trace your IP and location and ultimately get your name and address.

I also know what operating system you are running and your e-mail address which may have other data linked to it if its not new.

Maybe give up lol. :lol:


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Re: Going Darkside of the web [Re: HappySloth]
    #26673910 - 05/16/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

you got jokes lol
I realize this. Trying to figure it out.
So giving up is not happening lol
advice.


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Re: Going Darkside of the web [Re: Pneuma1] * 2
    #26674020 - 05/16/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

All you really need is tor and openpgp, the other stuff is optional.

VPNs are an added layer of insecurity, potentially, or an added layer of security, potentially. Anything that passes through a VPN can be seen by anyone with access to the VPN. Someone with a VPN could technically man in the middle tor and see everything you do. So arguably, using tor without a vpn is more secure than with a vpn. However, that's mostly hypothetical because a good vpn provider shouldn't be reading your shit. But "shouldn't" and "doesn't" are two very different things: just because they shouldn't that doesn't mean they don't. On the other hand, with a vpn, your ISP can't see what you're doing, but someone else might be able to. Tor on the other hand is encrypted end to end, at least in theory, but if a vpn is used maybe, maybe not.

Tails is used by itself, not with ubuntu or something. It should be installed on a non-writable media like a CD/DVD/etc. But even tails isn't necessary, and unless you know what you're doing it can be hard to use.

Unless you're buying in bulk/large quantities or buying regularly, you can probably do fine just using tor and figuring out encryption/openpgp. You can use any kind of computer, even a raspberry pi.


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Re: Going Darkside of the web [Re: nooneman]
    #26675598 - 05/16/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

thank you for your time nooneman, 44 views so far others are probably are learning as well.

Im interpreting your response as know your tools and intention then act accordingly to achieve the goal. Different situations require different approaches, as with everything.

Much of what im reading is windows sucks for anonymity right out of the box, the os is always in contact with some system. In retrospect if it wasn't for the constant updates changing settings I would have been more inclined to build these skills years ago.

Im using a surface pro and the information im getting is that ubuntu didn't really work well on early systems but these articles and post are a few years old. Regardless im seeing the benefits of switching to a Linux system and don't want to mess up my current pc experimenting as it is a nice machine but literally has the word "surface" in the name.

Anyways would the raspberry pi running tails mitigate the windows os security features/flaws? I suspect not in whole as your answer indicates.
I believe we are on the same page with legal risk assessment as far as the chemicals go, to small for feds to bother and not a street crime kinda crime that would involve local pd unless I do something to attract it. Responsible drug use. The biggest risk im concerned with is exposing my wallet and passwords to unscrupulous capable tech criminals, or breaking the machine.


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Re: Going Darkside of the web [Re: Pneuma1]
    #26675646 - 05/16/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you really need that extra layer of privacy then tails running on a non-writable media like a CD or DVD is the way to go. Raspberry pi can't run windows, but I think it might be able to run tails. You can always use another distro if it can't. Otherwise, you can use most any computer, burn tails to a CD or DVD or something, and use that. That should provide some extra privacy. Make sure you also learn openpgp really well though. The majority of problems on DNM happen because people don't know how to use openpgp correctly.

You're very unlikely to expose your wallet or password to anyone or to break your machine (actually it'd be impossible to break the machine if you ran tails on a non-writable media). Going around on DNM isn't significantly more dangerous than using the regular internet, except that you have to be careful to make sure that you're using authentic websites and not copycats/lookalikes, but even that is somewhat rare. Tor hides your IP and everything from everyone else on the network, so there's really not much hackers can do that they can't already do on the regular internet. You just have to make sure you're using a genuine/legit website and not a fake, but again even fake websites are pretty rare. Still, that's really the main risk.


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Re: Going Darkside of the web [Re: nooneman]
    #26675735 - 05/16/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

good to know brother.
the openpng encryption is on my radar but you say "really well" so ill give extra attention, Thank you.
I have read about copycats and am gathering that double or triple checking sources is something that people dont do when they rush.
Read about a scam that got people when they tried to tumble bitcoins because of lookalikes, so another heads up, thanks.

Would you mind if at some future point I private message you if i get tripped up? You just seam helpful, i wouldn't overburden you with hand holding every step or implicate you with asking to source.


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Re: Going Darkside of the web [Re: HappySloth] * 1
    #26681975 - 05/19/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

HappySloth said:
You already exposed yourself.

You revealed you don't have a VPN and you have posted here thus I can trace your IP and location and ultimately get your name and address.

I also know what operating system you are running and your e-mail address which may have other data linked to it if its not new.

Maybe give up lol. :lol:



A VPN doesn't make you anonymous and they will turn data over to LEOs if they're subpoenaed.  Your ISP probably couldn't even tell you which address was leased to which customer unless you're using a static IP.  I'm not really sure what advantage people imagine that they're gaining from using a VPN to do clearnet stuff.  It makes sense if you're trying to get around a firewall or something but it's probably making you easier to track if you're trying to do something like browse Shroomery from the US.


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Re: Going Darkside of the web [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #26681995 - 05/19/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
All you really need is tor and openpgp, the other stuff is optional.

VPNs are an added layer of insecurity, potentially, or an added layer of security, potentially. Anything that passes through a VPN can be seen by anyone with access to the VPN. Someone with a VPN could technically man in the middle tor and see everything you do. So arguably, using tor without a vpn is more secure than with a vpn. However, that's mostly hypothetical because a good vpn provider shouldn't be reading your shit. But "shouldn't" and "doesn't" are two very different things: just because they shouldn't that doesn't mean they don't. On the other hand, with a vpn, your ISP can't see what you're doing, but someone else might be able to. Tor on the other hand is encrypted end to end, at least in theory, but if a vpn is used maybe, maybe not.

Tails is used by itself, not with ubuntu or something. It should be installed on a non-writable media like a CD/DVD/etc. But even tails isn't necessary, and unless you know what you're doing it can be hard to use.

Unless you're buying in bulk/large quantities or buying regularly, you can probably do fine just using tor and figuring out encryption/openpgp. You can use any kind of computer, even a raspberry pi.



Using Tails on a read only medium sort of defeats the purpose (especially if you want to use PGP encryption).  You're not going to be able to store keys and use the the Electrum wallet unless you can write to some sort of persistent storage.


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